NZ tour of India
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@act-crusader said in NZ tour of India:
@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
Sod it. Now they err too far the other way with reviewing. Young and Latham take a couple of seconds too long to decide to review one going down leg...
Amateur hour. Amateur by the umpire to give that and amateur by our batsmen to take too long.
Replays show it missed by a mile. Shame Latham couldn't see it. Apparently the umpires are not neutral, or from the elite panel due to covid19 restrictions. There have certainly been a lot of inconsistent calls...
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@no-quarter said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@act-crusader said in NZ tour of India:
Blundell: “Oh yes Sommers”
What for? You get an ‘Oh yes’ these days for not doing much with the ball either in the air or off the pitch…
I’m really, really surprised at how ineffective our spinners have been on the whole.
Really surprised.
The lesson from this is we play Wags every day of the week and twice on Sundays, I don't give a shit what the pitch is doing, we just don't have a test class spinner. Playing a spinner over Wags minimised our strengths and maximised theirs, we're never going to beat them at their own game.
(he says with the benefit of hindsight)
I said that shit before the test even started !
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@no-quarter said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@act-crusader said in NZ tour of India:
Blundell: “Oh yes Sommers”
What for? You get an ‘Oh yes’ these days for not doing much with the ball either in the air or off the pitch…
I’m really, really surprised at how ineffective our spinners have been on the whole.
Really surprised.
The lesson from this is we play Wags every day of the week and twice on Sundays, I don't give a shit what the pitch is doing, we just don't have a test class spinner. Playing a spinner over Wags minimised our strengths and maximised theirs, we're never going to beat them at their own game.
(he says with the benefit of hindsight)
Fair call. I liken it to a sub-continental side with great spinners coming here and playing four seamers instead. We'd be laughing. And so are they.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@no-quarter said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@act-crusader said in NZ tour of India:
Blundell: “Oh yes Sommers”
What for? You get an ‘Oh yes’ these days for not doing much with the ball either in the air or off the pitch…
I’m really, really surprised at how ineffective our spinners have been on the whole.
Really surprised.
The lesson from this is we play Wags every day of the week and twice on Sundays, I don't give a shit what the pitch is doing, we just don't have a test class spinner. Playing a spinner over Wags minimised our strengths and maximised theirs, we're never going to beat them at their own game.
(he says with the benefit of hindsight)
I said that shit before the test even started !
They confused themselves by thinking that because our spinners aren't great we will increase the odds of one having a good spell.
I have to admit that the theory often works with quicks when only one will fire and take all the wickets.
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@crucial said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@no-quarter said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
@act-crusader said in NZ tour of India:
Blundell: “Oh yes Sommers”
What for? You get an ‘Oh yes’ these days for not doing much with the ball either in the air or off the pitch…
I’m really, really surprised at how ineffective our spinners have been on the whole.
Really surprised.
The lesson from this is we play Wags every day of the week and twice on Sundays, I don't give a shit what the pitch is doing, we just don't have a test class spinner. Playing a spinner over Wags minimised our strengths and maximised theirs, we're never going to beat them at their own game.
(he says with the benefit of hindsight)
I said that shit before the test even started !
They confused themselves by thinking that because our spinners aren't great we will increase the odds of one having a good spell.
I have to admit that the theory often works with quicks when only one will fire and take all the wickets.
Doesn't work when the starting quality is low though.Especially when the other team is used to their own conditions and facing bowlers who thrive in them, whether that's us and seam in NZ, or India and spin in India.
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Yes, I was wrong on the bowler balance.
Especially as it is mid-winter, not even hot. temp maxing out at 26 degrees. This is being played 2 months later in the year than what would be normal for us. E.g 2 months later than our last visit in 2016.
Man, CDG would have been handy with the ball here. But in hindsight, the 3 seamers available here would have been better.
I assume it will be a Wagner for Sommerville straight swap for next match.
For next test. Mumbai will be about 30 degrees max, by google, so not too bad either.
I wonder if the low and slow is just a Kanpur thing? or a winter thing? Will it bite and turn in Mumbai? -
@rapido said in NZ tour of India:
**Yes, I was wrong on the bowler balance.
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Especially as it is mid-winter, not even hot. temp maxing out at 26 degrees. This is being played 2 months later in the year than what would be normal for us. E.g 2 months later than or last visit in 2016.Man, CDG would have been handy with the ball here. But in hindsight, the 3 seamers available here would have been better.
I assume it will be a Wagner for Sommerville straight swap for next match.
For next test. Mumbai will be about 30 degrees max, by google, so not too bad either.
I wonder if the low and slow is just a Kanpur thing? or a winter thing? Will it bite and turn in Mumbai?It takes a big man to admit he’s wrong on the fern. Hats off my friend.
Patel has done enough ( ie actually taken wickets ) so it’s a toss up between the other two for me.
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@donsteppa said in NZ tour of India:
I hadn't expected our spinners to scythe through India. But I also hadn't expected them to be so innocuous to the point where - if both Wagner and Mitchell had played instead of the two frontliners - we might have taken more/quicker wickets...
Yeah. They've been disappointing.
Patel has actually bowled quite badly in the parts I have watched. Just been surprisingly loose. But I do rate him, I don't think this slow pitch suited his natural pace, and he doesn't have the skill and experience of the Indians to use the variations or pace more suited.
Sommerville was always the more unproven riskier selection, compounded by being Auckland locked down and getting zero cricket. At least he was tight. But with 9 RHBs in the Indian team I think he will miss out to Wagner and Ravindra will be retained.
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Both Patel and Somerville have had no preparation as neither could play in the early rounds of the Plunket Shield. They were always going to be underdone but I assume that Stead and Williamson backed them to do what they did against Pakistan in the UAE, or something close.
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@canefan said in NZ tour of India:
Wags would have asked more questions of the batters, we loves Wags ❤
For all the wag love (myself included), I still think for test cricket the coaching staff and selectors really f*ked this up, which I said before a ball was bowled.
He offers way more than just a third seamer option, I could see what they were trying, but at the expense of our own match winner in many vaired conditions was just brainless in my book.
I think we lose this test outright now, if we survive a whole day I will be happy. As others have mentioned, the pitch isnt turning that badly yet, but I still expect poor shots to exceed unplayable deliveries. Happy to be proven wrong
will repost in grumpy old man lol
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I cannot see us surviving a barrage from spinners of that calibre. I wonder if Test cricket has ever had that many playing at once of that ability ? ( bear in mind they can all bat too ) Shutting up shop and playing safe won’t cut it, they’re too dangerous.
I hope I’m wrong though.
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@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
Both Patel and Somerville have had no preparation as neither could play in the early rounds of the Plunket Shield. They were always going to be underdone but I assume that Stead and Williamson backed them to do what they did against Pakistan in the UAE, or something close.
Patel did get in a tour of Bangladesh, though. And a few days training in Pakistan.
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@rapido T20 cricket isn't the same. The TV news showed Patel training by himself in the nets in Auckland while the PS was on. Taylor wasn't able to play for CD either with Hamilton in lockdown.
I'm not arguing for both spinners to be in the XI, just saying it was hardly an ideal preparation for those 3 players.
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@bovidae said in NZ tour of India:
@rapido T20 cricket isn't the same. The TV news showed Patel training by himself in the nets in Auckland while the PS was on. Taylor wasn't able to play for CD either with Hamilton in lockdown.
I'm not arguing for both spinners to be in the XI, just saying it was hardly an ideal preparation for those 3 players.
Still totally baffling why some of those guys weren't given a run in the India T20s to at least dust the cobwebs off in a serious match. I understand the need for different squads etc but Taylor facing competitive bowling is worth more than whatever Mark Chapman got out of that dead rubber or does Todd Astle really need to play ahead of one of the test spinners? Just all around strange.
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@rotated Good call re poor use of the T20 series. Even more strange when you consider NZC had no issue with sending a genuine 2nd XI to Bangladesh, and all the huffing and puffing over not having a warm-up in Australia almost two years ago. If we lose this test, there'll be more of the same served up, partially fairly, but this time NZC had an opportunity to do something to help and missed an opportunity.
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@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
I wonder if Test cricket has ever had that many playing at once of that ability ?
Indian Test Cricket has
Bishen Bedi (left armer and captain), Chandresekar (leggie) Prassana and Vengkataravan (spelling?) were around in the late 60's / early 70's - although they rarely played together. Usually one of the offies would be rested
Batting was built Gavaskar Armanath and Viswanath who would set a total. You'd get 10 overs from a couple of medium pacers before these guys would take over in front of 100,000 screaming Indians.
The first tour of India I remember was about 1976. The one where Peter Petherick took NZ's first hat trick. The 3 Indian spinners took over 50 wickets in a 3 test series.
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@dogmeat said in NZ tour of India:
@mn5 said in NZ tour of India:
I wonder if Test cricket has ever had that many playing at once of that ability ?
Indian Test Cricket has
Bishen Bedi (left armer and captain), Chandresekar (leggie) Prassana and Vengkataravan (spelling?) were around in the late 60's / early 70's - although they rarely played together. Usually one of the offies would be rested
Batting was built Gavaskar Armanath and Viswanath who would set a total. You'd get 10 overs from a couple of medium pacers before these guys would take over in front of 100,000 screaming Indians.
The first tour of India I remember was about 1976. The one where Peter Petherick took NZ's first hat trick. The 3 Indian spinners took over 50 wickets in a 3 test series.
Not sure any of them could bat……( indeed, THREE test 50s between the four of them )
Jadeja and Ashwin both average under 25, utterly exceptional for a spinner of any era ( Warnies average was over 25 as a point of comparison ).
Patel has obviously had a ridiculous start, will be interesting how he maintains it.
