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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
What a debacle. It's not healthy for what is effectively a two party system to have one of those parties such a rabble. Every single valid criticism of Labour can effectively be parried with 'yeah, but that fucking mess over there is the alternative'.
National are in exactly the same state Labour where in when they rolled Cunliffe, Little and then rolled the dice on Taxinda.
Similar place in the polls too.
So it can be turned around quickly.
They need someone to capture the imagination of the voting public though. And right now they don't appear to have it
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@mikedogz that would really be a strong indicator of someone putting the party (and NZ!) ahead of personal ambition. Hold the 'interim' leadership role with someone in the leadership group that would come forward just in time for the campaign cycle, but without the bloodshed and back stabbing. Wow, that'd be a change... and a pipedream!!
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Bridges appears to be in the running. Seems a bad mistake for mine. It kinda felt like Bridges had found his niche within the party post-leadership as a bit of a junkyard dog in terms of his critique and attacks on the opposition. He wasn't popular with voters a year ago, so I can't see how he is going to turn that around this time.
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@aucklandwarlord said in NZ Politics:
Bridges appears to be in the running. Seems a bad mistake for mine. It kinda felt like Bridges had found his niche within the party post-leadership as a bit of a junkyard dog in terms of his critique and attacks on the opposition. He wasn't popular with voters a year ago, so I can't see how he is going to turn that around this time.
Ego and ambition don't care about reason
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@mariner4life said in NZ Politics:
@aucklandwarlord said in NZ Politics:
Bridges appears to be in the running. Seems a bad mistake for mine. It kinda felt like Bridges had found his niche within the party post-leadership as a bit of a junkyard dog in terms of his critique and attacks on the opposition. He wasn't popular with voters a year ago, so I can't see how he is going to turn that around this time.
Ego and ambition don't care about reason
He's in the same position as Cunliffe was. It is not in his best interests to win the leadership because one likes him and he won't win enough votes. His best bet is to be in the background supporting a more charismatic leader who might get them back in power. Whoever that is or if it exists right now
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the 'list' hardly fills you with confidence
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@aucklandwarlord said in NZ Politics:
Bridges appears to be in the running. Seems a bad mistake for mine. It kinda felt like Bridges had found his niche within the party post-leadership as a bit of a junkyard dog in terms of his critique and attacks on the opposition. He wasn't popular with voters a year ago, so I can't see how he is going to turn that around this time.
From here he seems to be a mix of Tony Abbott's negativity and Barnaby Joyce's grasp of good policy. That's not a good combination for a PM.
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@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
@aucklandwarlord said in NZ Politics:
Bridges appears to be in the running. Seems a bad mistake for mine. It kinda felt like Bridges had found his niche within the party post-leadership as a bit of a junkyard dog in terms of his critique and attacks on the opposition. He wasn't popular with voters a year ago, so I can't see how he is going to turn that around this time.
From here he seems to be a mix of Tony Abbott's negativity and Barnaby Joyce's grasp of good policy. That's not a good combination for a PM.
He has that skill of rubbing people up the wrong way
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@canefan there was a brief period where he was almost chill, after he got backstabbed maybe? But when he reckons he's got someone or something pinned down (rightly or wrongly) he goes into full on smug rant mode. In my home country of Poland that kind of carry on isn't endearing.
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@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
your post aged well. I don't often get to say that in TSF (about posts in general, I hasten to add).
I have a few spies who feed me well on the National Party politics front. Although most of us didn't have a clue how today was going to pan out.
From afar it seemed spectacular. I'd be surprised if Bridges returns though he seems to have some enemies/non-believers to contend with.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
your post aged well. I don't often get to say that in TSF (about posts in general, I hasten to add).
I have a few spies who feed me well on the National Party politics front. Although most of us didn't have a clue how today was going to pan out.
From afar it seemed spectacular. I'd be surprised if Bridges returns though he seems to have some enemies/non-believers to contend with.
Bridges has already thrown his hat into the ring. But if he wins the leadership he will not possibly win the next election or even come close. He's just too unlikeable. I'm not sure Luxton is the answer, but in the limited interactions I've seen in the media he seemed to handle himself well, he's certainly no Muller. IMHO they need to convince Bridges to set aside his ego and offer him the 2IC spot along with whatever portfolio he wants (a bit like the Key English situation). If he competes and loses, I can see him continuing to be a corrosive influence against the next leader at a time that the Nats need to show unity. In an ideal world they would come out on Monday and announce that it's all been settled behind closed doors to spare them from more conflict
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From Simon Bridges:
This morning I met with Chris Luxon and had a great discussion. I am withdrawing from the leadership contest and will be backing Chris. He will make a brilliant National leader and Prime Minister.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
From Simon Bridges:
This morning I met with Chris Luxon and had a great discussion. I am withdrawing from the leadership contest and will be backing Chris. He will make a brilliant National leader and Prime Minister.
Kudos to Simon. Now he will be a senior MP under the new leader, or even 2IC
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"Simon, I've got the numbers, you don't. Now, you can either stand, lose, and get sent straight to the backbench for eternity
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concede, save the Party some face, and I'll give you a decent job""upon discussions i have chosen not to stand because i believe in the other guy"
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@mariner4life said in NZ Politics:
"Simon, I've got the numbers, you don't. Now, you can either stand, lose, and get sent straight to the backbench for eternity
or
concede, save the Party some face, and I'll give you a decent job""upon discussions i have chosen not to stand because i believe in the other guy"
Probably. But if they have done a deal that was always going to be the best result for the sake of the party
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@taniwharugby that is a real pity. I wonder if Bridges read all the stuff about Nats needing an interim leader who will step aside or get rolled leading into the next election. So a clean break from crusher, see how Luxton goes as a relative novice, then either back him or roll him closer to the election.
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