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@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
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@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
Once/if the internal fighting has cleared who are the potential National leaders left standing? Seems to me from afar that Key and his lieutenants left a big hole?
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@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
Certainly lowered my opinion of her, doubt I’m alone.
The lack of detail provided smacks of a smear campaign. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the article two days ago showing Bridges popularity as Nat leader compared to hers….
Will make it easy to drag up the dirty politics stuff again.
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And right now Labour is wondering what other law changes it can sneak through, with National in disarray it will be barely noticed.
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@godder said in NZ Politics:
All that would dissipate if they accepted full funding.
I'm not commenting n NZ politics, but I'm reminded of this:
The nine most dangerous words in the English language "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help": Ronald Reagan
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@hooroo The other candidate is Christian fundamentalist Christopher Luxon.
National truly are fucked. Collins is toxic and has completely lost the plot, Bridges is tainted by previous failures and whatever comes out about this latest scandal plus he's seen as a smarmy prick and Luxon is inexperienced with a evangelicising christian core that will turn off middlle NZ.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
Once/if the internal fighting has cleared who are the potential National leaders left standing? Seems to me from afar that Key and his lieutenants left a big hole?
Sorry, to add, is this an attempt to head off an internally predicted leadership battle?I reckon Mark Mitchell would have to be front-runner at the moment. He's been on the periphery for a while, has a fairly robust background and hasn't had too much scandal or isn't widely disliked by the left supporters.
I just can't see how Collins and her advisors thought this wouldn't blow up in her face. It happened five years ago, was addressed at the time, and is now being dragged up, to the disdain of people close to the party. It bears eerie parallels to the Tim Paine scandal.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@hooroo The other candidate is Christian fundamentalist Christopher Luxon.
National truly are fucked. Collins is toxic and has completely lost the plot, Bridges is tainted by previous failures and whatever comes out about this latest scandal plus he's seen as a smarmy prick and Luxon is inexperienced with a evangelicising christian core that will turn off middlle NZ.
Is he the Ex Air NZ CEO?
What a massive shame
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@aucklandwarlord the commentariat are dismissing MM. I don't know why - he has run before and would be a compromise candidate even if only in the short term.
I've always found him uninspiring but anything would be an improvement for the Nats at the moment
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@victor-meldrew said in NZ Politics:
@godder said in NZ Politics:
All that would dissipate if they accepted full funding.
I'm not commenting n NZ politics, but I'm reminded of this:
The nine most dangerous words in the English language "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help": Ronald Reagan
The point of society is to get together to accomplish things collectively that we can't individually. For most of human (pre)history, that has been sharing responsibilities for the defence of the group from predators and other groups, and ensuring everyone is fed (and water etc), clothed, sheltered, and cared for when they can't care for themselves e.g. children, the elderly and the injured/sick. In that framework, groups/tribes were usually no more than around 150-200 and everyone knew each other, so while there might be a clear leader or two, decisions could be made by consensus, and disputes resolved by the leader if they couldn't be resolved by the parties themselves.
After a few million years of that, agriculture arrived, towns started being formed, and those larger groups needed mechanisms for agreeing on what the rules were, how the rules were made and by whom, and how disputes about the rules would be resolved and what the potential outcomes/consequences would be, since consulting with a few thousand people was a lot harder and less practical than 50-100 people (assuming a reasonable number of children at any given time in the hunter-gatherer societies).
Voila, welcome to government. Not surprisingly, being able to set rules and settle disputes has to led to a lot of corruption, abuses and other BS (including some seriously horrific evil), but without going back to very small groups that don't need to delegate decisionmaking, we're stuck with government.
That quote has been used to demonise services that make sense to be delivered or funded by government as the collective of the people governed, and to attempt to justify having next to no government in a society which is far too complex to be able to live in it without a lot of government-funded items like roads, even if it's just as the setter of rules and collective funding and contracting operation for everything else.
Ambulance services are something the government should at least fully fund if not deliver through directly employed staff. I hope the irony of government help being the scariest thing possible in the context of ambulance services literally being there to help people not die is not lost on people.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
And right now Labour is wondering what other law changes it can sneak through, with National in disarray it will be barely noticed.
The Speaker gave them a real serve which was surprising but welcome. Today's the last sitting day of the year, so there won't be anything other than what's already on the order paper. https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/bills-and-laws/bills-proposed-laws/ is the list of bills waiting for progress (anything that says RA is done), but the first one for today will be the "Taxation (COVID-19 Support Payments and Working for Families Tax Credits) Bill".
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@hooroo said in NZ Politics:
Crusher is gone. Thank goodness.
Prolly wet bridge back in charge
Good. National had no chance of winning the next election under her.
The fact she couldn't land a hit on a floundering governement is huge indictment on her ability.
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I reckon the biggest loser in all of this is Dr Shane Reti. I think he is a genuine asset to the National Party, especially in pandemic times, but he'll likely be tarred with the same brush as Collins and suffer a hefty demotion under any new regime.
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@aucklandwarlord said in NZ Politics:
I reckon the biggest loser in all of this is Dr Shane Reti. I think he is a genuine asset to the National Party, especially in pandemic times, but he'll likely be tarred with the same brush as Collins and suffer a hefty demotion under any new regime.
They don't have a deep enough bench to get rid quality MPs.
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