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@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
CDC shifts pandemic goals away from reaching herd immunity
…“Thinking that we’ll be able to achieve some kind of threshold where there’ll be no more transmission of infections may not be possible,” Jones acknowledged last week to members of a panel that advises the CDC on vaccines. …
Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months.
The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.html
Inredible. Even with 100% vaccination, across all age sectors and demographics, the virus will transmit and mutate, and vaccine is possibly effective for only a few months. Get ready for annual booster shots for the rest of your life.
But everything back to normal then?
As in no more lockdowns and masks etc
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
CDC shifts pandemic goals away from reaching herd immunity
…“Thinking that we’ll be able to achieve some kind of threshold where there’ll be no more transmission of infections may not be possible,” Jones acknowledged last week to members of a panel that advises the CDC on vaccines. …
Recent evidence has also made clear that the immunity provided by vaccines can wane in a matter of months.
The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.
https://news.yahoo.com/cdc-shifts-pandemic-goals-away-130028307.html
Inredible. Even with 100% vaccination, across all age sectors and demographics, the virus will transmit and mutate, and vaccine is possibly effective for only a few months. Get ready for annual booster shots for the rest of your life.
But everything back to normal then?
As in no more lockdowns and masks etc
The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread.
I can't see why this is news to anyone who has been paying attention. The common cold and influenza are coronaviruses. They will continue to mutate and vaccinated people will get infected. But the vaccine is trying to reduce the severity for most people, gradually over time our own immune systems will do that job better and better on their own
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@canefan the amount of people that think this vaccine will eradicate covid much like polio etc etc are in a very high number.
That's is my big problem with the one word of truth, they don't want to state or discuss anything that would possibly discourage people to get vaccinated. So now most people think any unvaccinated person has just been reading conspiracy theories online and is a moron.
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan the amount of people that think this vaccine will eradicate covid much like polio etc etc are in a very high number.
That's is my big problem with the one word of truth, they don't want to state or discuss anything that would possibly discourage people to get vaccinated. So now most people think any unvaccinated person has just been reading conspiracy theories online and is a moron.
The figures are pretty clear to indicate that you are less likely to contract the virus if you are vaccinated. And less likely to be hospitalised if you do contract it
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The common cold and influenza are coronaviruses.
I think you've got that a bit mixed up. Some common colds (and i guess what some people would wrongly refer to as "the flu") are caused by coronaviruses but not all. Influenza isn't caused by a coronavirus, it's caused by an influenza virus.
And that's about the limit of my knowledge on virology.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The common cold and influenza are coronaviruses.
I think you've got that a bit mixed up. Some common colds (and i guess what some people would wrongly refer to as "the flu") are caused by coronaviruses but not all. Influenza isn't caused by a coronavirus, it's caused by an influenza virus.
And that's about the limit of my knowledge on virology.
https://www.healthnavigator.org.nz/health-a-z/c/coronavirus/
The common cold is a set of symptoms, not the name of a specific coronavirus. You are correct about the flu Point I was trying to make was that in 1918 the flu killed a shit load of people. Over time immune systems in the survivors learned to combat it reasonably well to the point where today many people don't bother with an annual vaccine
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The common cold and influenza are coronaviruses.
I think you've got that a bit mixed up. Some common colds (and i guess what some people would wrongly refer to as "the flu") are caused by coronaviruses but not all. Influenza isn't caused by a coronavirus, it's caused by an influenza virus.
And that's about the limit of my knowledge on virology.
https://www.healthnavigator.org.nz/health-a-z/c/coronavirus/
The common cold is a set of symptoms, not the name of a specific coronavirus. You are correct about the flu Point I was trying to make was that in 1918 the flu killed a shit load of people. Over time immune systems in the survivors learned to combat it reasonably well to the point where today many people don't bother with an annual vaccine
No idea how accurate this graph is but it's a break down of the types of viruses that cause the "common cold". The point I was trying to make is that only a portion of the time those symptoms are caused by a coronavirus.
I agree with the rest of what you said though.
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I think it has seemed pretty clear for some time this aint going away, at least not anytime soon!
For me, if the vaccine assists in slowing the spread and if I happen to pick it up and slightly lessens the chance of me transmitting it to anyone I may come into contact with (my parents, my aunts, uncles etc) so that if they get hospitalised the system isnt smashed, and if a mask helps reduce transmission, even by only 5%, then I'm ok with that.
For me, is a small price to pay for my life to get back to some kind of normal.
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@taniwharugby you sum up my thoughts pretty accurately
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@kirwan think that must be a bit out of date, aus is over 90% first dose
NZ is counting 12+ whereas Oz is 16+
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@antipodean good point, always forget that, just see the headlines
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Interesting article from a normally crap newspaper. They've analysed Google mobility data and theorised that the huge rise in Europe is down to people thinking the pandemic was over as vaccinations had killed it off, resultant high levels of social interaction poss. made worse by not relaxing restrictions early enough in the summer months. Other factors are vaccine scepticism and slow booster programme roll-outs.
Key takeaway is keeping people cautious by not thinking a high level of vaccination is a cure-all. And start planning your booster roll-out early enough.
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@taniwharugby Interesting stuff. I have wondered generally that if a country has a high vaccination rate done recently, does Delta spread so fast that it might actually burn itself out of unvaccinated people in a location and not be able to spread further. Mutations that wipe it out didn't seem so likely, but handy if it does happen elsewhere.
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