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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@nta speaking of that, i've been a bit irked by the chat around ScoMo's climate change backflip.
He does what a lot of people wanted, but because of who he is, and what party he's from, he gets constant shit for it.
Well, he is a known backflipper so we shouldn't have been surprised.
For me, it isn't the party he's from - it is what that party has said and done previously. They basically campaigned on "EVs wreck your weekends" and now he's saying "the technology has advanced!"
It has been 2 years. Besides more options in the market, the core technology for EVs hasn't really had a massive change. It might in future (solid state batteries, materials, efficiency) but right now it is fit for purpose.
It does, however, play right into his "future tech will save us" narrative to avoid setting anything concrete.
On that point: Morrison has long been part of a government that regularly reduced funding to agencies like CSIRO, and propping up failed tech like CCS and fossil fuels that aren't going to get much better, isn't really future-facing.
He's got a pamphlet tho
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He's fucking right about the tech that hasn't been invented yet. Those ridiculing that are either stupid enough to fight tomorrow's war with yesterdays weapons, or, as above, just having pot shots because of personal politics.
For the grid, we need upgrades to transmission. But existing tech - solar, wind, batteries - will get us to a very high percentage of RE with the existing hydro we have. Before 2030 we could get over 70% RE with no lowering of reliability standards. Maybe higher.
The advancements in solar and wind are percentages at this point - efficiency per sqm of panel or size of turbine. Batteries might be somewhere that the tech is going to jump ahead like it did at the start of EVs.
As you say tho: investment is required. That will come from private sources when policy direction makes it more favourable.
Good thing the states have been planning for it.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
He's fucking right about the tech that hasn't been invented yet. Those ridiculing that are either stupid enough to fight tomorrow's war with yesterdays weapons, or, as above, just having pot shots because of personal politics.
It's sadly predictable. The same mistake they made with Turnbull trying to pivot the party to the left; it matters not what the chattering twitterati say because they'll never vote for that party. All you're doing is alienating your base.
Australia just doesn't seem smart enough on average to grasp we don't need to reinvent the wheel. There's plenty of examples overseas showing us what not to do.
Then for some reason we need to identify why there are so many ignorant people in this country and I'd wager it has a lot to do with Dunning Kruger effect. Remove just coal and petroleum gas from our exports and these people might have to learn what "balance of payments" means to "living standards".
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@nta speaking of that, i've been a bit irked by the chat around ScoMo's climate change backflip.
He does what a lot of people wanted, but because of who he is, and what party he's from, he gets constant shit for it.
He's not being given shit because of who he is or what party he's from, he's being given shit because he's been utterly hopeless and said some really dumb things on the topic, and the fact that he's moving to a slightly more reasonable (and electable) policy position is just reminding everyone of that
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@nta speaking of that, i've been a bit irked by the chat around ScoMo's climate change backflip.
He does what a lot of people wanted, but because of who he is, and what party he's from, he gets constant shit for it.
He's fucking right about the tech that hasn't been invented yet. Those ridiculing that are either stupid enough to fight tomorrow's war with yesterdays weapons, or, as above, just having pot shots because of personal politics.
Where the justifiable criticism should come from is, that's great Scott, but, you can't be half pregnant here. You want us to invent our way out of this? Then you need to make tangible strides around national policy. Invest in research. Prioritise and incentivise in targeted education, research and development. Put public money towards start ups for new energy. THAT's a policy platform. Words mean shit.
I hate the fucking word given it was the buzz word of the last 18 months but, pivot the motherfucking economy away from just digging shit out of the ground. Still do that, because it pays the bills, but make it pay more, and put that money to other areas.
We will still be digging shit out of the ground as the need for Lithium and Nickel and Copper accelerate. Hopefully we can have investment so that these raw materials are turned into end products here rather than offshore
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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@nta their standard has really fallen off a cliff.
I think satire websites are fatigued from trying to make fun of the already ridiculous.
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@nta and FMG emitted how much in the past 5 years from their iron ore, rail and port operations? All these ‘philanthropic’ causes of Forrest are a smoke screen (I’m here all week) for his massively polluting and massively profitable operations.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@nta speaking of that, i've been a bit irked by the chat around ScoMo's climate change backflip.
He does what a lot of people wanted, but because of who he is, and what party he's from, he gets constant shit for it.
He's fucking right about the tech that hasn't been invented yet. Those ridiculing that are either stupid enough to fight tomorrow's war with yesterdays weapons, or, as above, just having pot shots because of personal politics.
-there's plenty of technology today they can use and they don't.. Electric cars for example, could tow, I think 2 years ago, had suitable range, but the main point is not everyone needs to tow a bloody caravan.
I knew Australian engineers/researchers who told me 17 years ago said they could design and build solar-powered cars that did the daily average commute. Many of them were poached by China.
-secondly, his party underfunded CSIRO and universities, the very places this R&D comes from. Abbott and co. deliberately made them hide the phrase climate change and tried to stop all the funding subsidies to the relevant bodies and industries.
And the carbon levy was actually working and now Cormann wants to create an international one. Morrison is/was part of that. Then he brandished coal laminated to buggery and proclaimed it doesn't hurt anyone, but it plainly does.
https://soe.environment.gov.au/theme/ambient-air-quality/topic/2016/health-impacts-air-pollutionWhere the justifiable criticism should come from is, that's great Scott, but, you can't be half pregnant here. You want us to invent our way out of this? Then you need to ..
I agree with this part.
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Underfunded is a very generous way to describe what they did to the CSIRO. Gutted it would be closer to the mark.
And at the time (2014ish?) Australia was well positioned to become a world leader in developmentof new tech, so it was an absurd decision. But of course LNP mentality on climate change at the time was still stuck in "it's not real, and even if it is it's not man-made, and even if it is it's not as bad as the fear-mongers say, and even if it is there's nothing we can do about it".
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@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Underfunded is a very generous way to describe what they did to the CSIRO. Gutted it would be closer to the mark.
And at the time (2014ish?) Australia was well positioned to become a world leader in developmentof new tech, so it was an absurd decision. But of course LNP mentality on climate change at the time was still stuck in "it's not real, and even if it is it's not man-made, and even if it is it's not as bad as the fear-mongers say, and even if it is there's nothing we can do about it".
Yes I totally agree regards the CSIRO, it is a crying shame.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib I'd call it a scoreless draw.
I was surprised Jordies accepted the offer of a settlement. Yes you could call it a victory of sorts given he doesn't have to pay any cash, but he'd raised plenty of money so I'm not sure it would have ever been an issue for him.
The real win for him, I would have thought, would be the publicity that would come with the case. And an open microphone in the witness box to tee off on Barilaro and the LNP, with the nation's media eating from his hand. Given he had arguably nothing to lose, I'm not sure why he chose not to continue the case.
So you could argue only having to apologise is a win for him, but I don't think it is. There was a far greater prize in the offing which he now can't win.
There's the other, bigger court case coming up next year involving the NSW "fixated persons" unit and Jordies' producer. I wonder if Jordies' team just saw this as a distraction, and wanted to get it out of the way so they could focus on that one.
Yes that might be the strategy. A much more serious issue in the grand scheme of things, too.
Sounds like that's the plan
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@gibbon-rib God he's just so unlikeable.
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@barbarian He is, I forced myself to sit through it because I'm interested, but it's hard going
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First couple of minutes were interesting - at least in terms of not being to able to go to court over the truth because parliamentary privilege restricts the ability to present documents that exist, but not for all of us
Hardly democractic.
His smugness is... well I guess it is his thing and he's happy to do it. Not my cup of tea.
Barilaro is a fucking peasant tho and deserves derision and scorn.
I'm conflicted.
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@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@nta I don't know if you stuck with it, but later on he confirms that they wanted to save their funds for the "fixated persons" case next year
Yep makes sense. The cost of asking a court NOT to do something is prohibitive, but there are plenty of backers out there no doubt.
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