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@antipodean said in Aussie Politics:
@nta their standard has really fallen off a cliff.
I think satire websites are fatigued from trying to make fun of the already ridiculous.
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@nta and FMG emitted how much in the past 5 years from their iron ore, rail and port operations? All these ‘philanthropic’ causes of Forrest are a smoke screen (I’m here all week) for his massively polluting and massively profitable operations.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Politics:
@nta speaking of that, i've been a bit irked by the chat around ScoMo's climate change backflip.
He does what a lot of people wanted, but because of who he is, and what party he's from, he gets constant shit for it.
He's fucking right about the tech that hasn't been invented yet. Those ridiculing that are either stupid enough to fight tomorrow's war with yesterdays weapons, or, as above, just having pot shots because of personal politics.
-there's plenty of technology today they can use and they don't.. Electric cars for example, could tow, I think 2 years ago, had suitable range, but the main point is not everyone needs to tow a bloody caravan.
I knew Australian engineers/researchers who told me 17 years ago said they could design and build solar-powered cars that did the daily average commute. Many of them were poached by China.
-secondly, his party underfunded CSIRO and universities, the very places this R&D comes from. Abbott and co. deliberately made them hide the phrase climate change and tried to stop all the funding subsidies to the relevant bodies and industries.
And the carbon levy was actually working and now Cormann wants to create an international one. Morrison is/was part of that. Then he brandished coal laminated to buggery and proclaimed it doesn't hurt anyone, but it plainly does.
https://soe.environment.gov.au/theme/ambient-air-quality/topic/2016/health-impacts-air-pollutionWhere the justifiable criticism should come from is, that's great Scott, but, you can't be half pregnant here. You want us to invent our way out of this? Then you need to ..
I agree with this part.
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Underfunded is a very generous way to describe what they did to the CSIRO. Gutted it would be closer to the mark.
And at the time (2014ish?) Australia was well positioned to become a world leader in developmentof new tech, so it was an absurd decision. But of course LNP mentality on climate change at the time was still stuck in "it's not real, and even if it is it's not man-made, and even if it is it's not as bad as the fear-mongers say, and even if it is there's nothing we can do about it".
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@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
Underfunded is a very generous way to describe what they did to the CSIRO. Gutted it would be closer to the mark.
And at the time (2014ish?) Australia was well positioned to become a world leader in developmentof new tech, so it was an absurd decision. But of course LNP mentality on climate change at the time was still stuck in "it's not real, and even if it is it's not man-made, and even if it is it's not as bad as the fear-mongers say, and even if it is there's nothing we can do about it".
Yes I totally agree regards the CSIRO, it is a crying shame.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@barbarian said in Aussie Politics:
@gibbon-rib I'd call it a scoreless draw.
I was surprised Jordies accepted the offer of a settlement. Yes you could call it a victory of sorts given he doesn't have to pay any cash, but he'd raised plenty of money so I'm not sure it would have ever been an issue for him.
The real win for him, I would have thought, would be the publicity that would come with the case. And an open microphone in the witness box to tee off on Barilaro and the LNP, with the nation's media eating from his hand. Given he had arguably nothing to lose, I'm not sure why he chose not to continue the case.
So you could argue only having to apologise is a win for him, but I don't think it is. There was a far greater prize in the offing which he now can't win.
There's the other, bigger court case coming up next year involving the NSW "fixated persons" unit and Jordies' producer. I wonder if Jordies' team just saw this as a distraction, and wanted to get it out of the way so they could focus on that one.
Yes that might be the strategy. A much more serious issue in the grand scheme of things, too.
Sounds like that's the plan
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@gibbon-rib God he's just so unlikeable.
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@barbarian He is, I forced myself to sit through it because I'm interested, but it's hard going
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First couple of minutes were interesting - at least in terms of not being to able to go to court over the truth because parliamentary privilege restricts the ability to present documents that exist, but not for all of us
Hardly democractic.
His smugness is... well I guess it is his thing and he's happy to do it. Not my cup of tea.
Barilaro is a fucking peasant tho and deserves derision and scorn.
I'm conflicted.
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@gibbon-rib said in Aussie Politics:
@nta I don't know if you stuck with it, but later on he confirms that they wanted to save their funds for the "fixated persons" case next year
Yep makes sense. The cost of asking a court NOT to do something is prohibitive, but there are plenty of backers out there no doubt.
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The full court press on Morrison from the Labor front bench was seriously strange this week even for them. Why would you spend two days dragging up Sam Dastayari and reminding everyone he exists?
Who remembers? Who cares? It reminds everyone that Morrison once had a sense of humour and of the corrupt side of Labor
At this point it wouldn't surprise me if they earnestly go after Morrison for once calling Arbib and Batar faceless men when indeed they clearly have faces, thinking that will win middle Australia.
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This pandemic has cemented my opinion that the current government bears no resemblance to the values and policies I care about. At the next election I will be doing what I have never done and preferencing Labor. It's purely a punishment vote that hopefully decimates them and a decent conservative party can arise from the ashes.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
This pandemic has cemented my opinion that the current government bears no resemblance to the values and policies I care about. At the next election I will be doing what I have never done and preferencing Labor. It's purely a punishment vote that hopefully decimates them and a decent conservative party can arise from the ashes.
Just like it did for National in NZ eh?
Oh hang on...
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The alternative is to reward this bumbling incompetent fuck.
No, the one on the left.
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