2015/2016 Premier League
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="dogmeat" data-cid="578961" data-time="1463016028">
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<p> If Arsenal lose to a Villa side that only have 17 points from 37 games and one from their last 10, I fully expect to see Arsene's head on a pike outside Holloway Road Station</p>
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<p>Arsenal fans can only dream. Wenger's got at least 10 years left of keeping Arsenal relatively mediocre before the club seems to cotton on to the fact he's not a trophy winner.</p> -
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<p>Arsenal fans can only dream. Wenger's got at least 10 years left of keeping Arsenal relatively mediocre before the club seems to cotton on to the fact he's not a trophy winner.</p>
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<p>and I'll take that. Mediocre is a touch rough. I call a Prem team that doesn't make Top four every year mediocre.</p> -
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<p>and I'll take that. Mediocre is a touch rough. I call a Prem team that doesn't make Top four every year mediocre.</p>
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<p>The key word was relatively. Arsenal seem to have long forgotten that they should be a title winning team, not a top 4 team.</p>
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<p>The FA cup double has been good, no doubt, but it's been a LONG time since that was genuinely considered a tier 1 trophy (which is sad, in itself).</p> -
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<p>and I'll take that. Mediocre is a touch rough. I call a Prem team that doesn't make Top four every year mediocre.</p>
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<p>you are in a mini-league with 3 other teams. In that mini-league, your trophy haul is very small.</p>
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<p>Since your last premier league (12 years), there are those 2 FA cups. Well done on those by the way.</p>
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<p>In that time:<br>
Chelsea = 4 titles, 4 FA cups, 3 League cups, a Champions League and a Europa League</p>
<p>Man U = 5 titles, 2 league cups and a champs league</p>
<p>City = 2 titles, 1 FA cup, and 2 league cups.</p>
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<p>And to show how far you have fallen, Liverpool have an FA cup, a League Cup, a champs league, and we have the final of the Europa coming up. And we've been a bit of a basket case over that time (ok the last 30 years)</p>
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<p>Arsenal are a financially strong club with great revenue streams and a big name who seem to decided coming in the top 4 every year is a trophy in itself. Even this year, with just a little ambition in January, they could have had a real crack at the Premier League. Instead they did nothing, and came no where. </p> -
<p>I'm not argueing that.</p>
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<p>I just remember that when they built Emirates, they had a target of Champs league every year for a decade to be able to afford the stadium. They have acheived that and I imagine this will be one of Wengers last seasons or maybe next season.</p>
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<p>I guess my point is they shouldn't be. Don't Arsenal fans pay more for tickets than any other prem side? They should demand more for their money than the same season on repeat for more than a decade.</p>
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<p>I've said before, the management while the stadium was paid for was fantastic, but there have been a couple of years now where it was time to take the team forward, and less than nothing was done. And the results were the same. The Board seem happy, so i guess Wenger is safe, but to me that means 16/17 will be the same season as the last 12. </p>
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<p>But what happens if Wenger doesn't find any "value in the market" doesn't sign anyone, the same shit happens, and both Man U and Chelsea get their act together? Arsenal could be trying to sign a new manager without Champs League football as a lure. </p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="578991" data-time="1463018430">
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<p>you are in a mini-league with 3 other teams. In that mini-league, your trophy haul is very small.</p>
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<p>Since your last premier league (12 years), there are those 2 FA cups. Well done on those by the way.</p>
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<p>In that time:<br>
Chelsea = 4 titles, 4 FA cups, 3 League cups, a Champions League and a Europa League</p>
<p>Man U = 5 titles, 2 league cups and a champs league</p>
<p>City = 2 titles, 1 FA cup, and 2 league cups.</p>
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<p>And to show how far you have fallen, Liverpool have an FA cup, a League Cup, a champs league, and we have the final of the Europa coming up. And we've been a bit of a basket case over that time (ok the last 30 years)</p>
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<p>Arsenal are a financially strong club with great revenue streams and a big name who seem to decided coming in the top 4 every year is a trophy in itself. Even this year, with just a little ambition in January, they could have had a real crack at the Premier League. Instead they did nothing, and came no where. </p>
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<p>That is some tough reading for Arsenal fans.</p>
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<p>The last sentence is really true. With Chelsea tumbling down internally, LVG really not working out at Man U, and City underperforming, this year should have seen Arsenal have a real crack. Nobody could have seen Leicester do what they did, but given the other results, there is no real reason that a well managed, ambitious arsenal shouldn't have been charging for it.</p>
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<p>I'm not having a pop as such, even though that's generally what I do when it comes to football. I do feel for Arsenal, similar the way I felt for the Boks under Straueli, and a lesser extent PdV. The fans deserve better.</p> -
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<p>I guess my point is they shouldn't be. Don't Arsenal fans pay more for tickets than any other prem side? They should demand more for their money than the same season on repeat for more than a decade.</p>
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<p>I've said before, the management while the stadium was paid for was fantastic, but there have been a couple of years now where it was time to take the team forward, and less than nothing was done. And the results were the same. The Board seem happy, so i guess Wenger is safe, but to me that means 16/17 will be the same season as the last 12. </p>
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<p>But what happens if Wenger doesn't find any "value in the market" doesn't sign anyone, the same shit happens, and both Man U and Chelsea get their act together? Arsenal could be trying to sign a new manager without Champs League football as a lure. </p>
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<p>That's true and could have been said for past few season but somehow they still manage.</p>
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<p>As I said, I expect that this will be one of Wengers last seasons.</p>
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<p>We were playing fairly well without being exceptional and I expect it won't take too much to complete the team. Looks as though Dirty is off post season too</p> -
<p>You've had problems in the midfield, and central defense for what feels like a decade, and they are never fixed. You also really need a striker, Giraud is not good enough to be the main man for a team of Arsenal's stature. Sanchez will burn out and leave if you don't give him help. </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Donsteppa" data-cid="579001" data-time="1463019168">
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<p>Mixed news for the North East; Sunderland survive, Newcastle drop, Middlesbrough return.<br><br>
Reckon Newcastle will find returning to the top flight easier than Sunderland would have.</p>
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<p>Interesting job for Benitez. I'd really like to see him stick with the club and try and get them back up.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="579004" data-time="1463019378">
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<p>You've had problems in the midfield, and central defense for what feels like a decade, and they are never fixed. You also really need a striker, Giraud is not good enough to be the main man for a team of Arsenal's stature. Sanchez will burn out and leave if you don't give him help. </p>
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<p>Dirty is off post season so no worries there.</p>
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<p>For all our ropiness, it is more our constitution, we were cruising at one stage but then just lost the mettle late Jan</p> -
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<p>From the Man Utd Twitter Feed:</p>
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<p>Due to the discovery of a suspect package in the NW Quadrant of the ground, the match has been abandoned today on police advice. <a class="" href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mufc?src=hash">#<b>mufc</b></a></p>
