Coronavirus - New Zealand
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BOP now...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
BOP now...
The cat is well and truly out of the bag. We must be ready to face up to living with covid19 whether we feel ready or not
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan yep, and worst part is, flaws in border control has helped, these are borders never designed to be physical borders...
It is a miracle we got this far. I would expect a bloom of cases in the coming weeks. I don't know if anyone posted this earlier
She makes such good points without any clumsy attempts at cheap shots that I wondered if she got a ghost writer
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At what point will the government stop systematic contact tracing? This is not going away and if we starting getting 100 new cases a day and not 30 to 40 then it will get more and more arduous. Are the TAB taking bets on the first South Island case?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan yep, and worst part is, flaws in border control has helped, these are borders never designed to be physical borders...
It is a miracle we got this far. I would expect a bloom of cases in the coming weeks. I don't know if anyone posted this earlier
She makes such good points without any clumsy attempts at cheap shots that I wondered if she got a ghost writer
Terrible. Covid does not cause “weeks of severe pain”. At least stick to the facts.
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Terrible. Covid does not cause “weeks of severe pain”. At least stick to the facts.
"If you get vaccinated you might face a day or so of discomfort. If you don’t, there is a risk of death."
My wife is double vaxed and caught it as you do, felt sh*t like heavy flu for a week.
It's black-and-white scare tactics with a smattering of overkill, but I wouldn't knock that right now in the big picture if it helps get another few % get vaccinated.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
so not only are the un-vaxxed slowing things down for the rest of NZ, then you get fucktards gang whores hiding from the police hindering things further...really hope they throw these bitches in jail.
I'm just so angry about this BS. Sure these arseholes forged paperwork to get a pass to leave Auckland, but surely the process should be you apply, you get vetted then approved, not approved then checked and found to be fake then cant find you, and to make it worse, you have covid and you fuck Northland...the only consolation is I have heard the vaccination centres around town are very busy, although I think it's further North where they need to have big increases.
Further evidence NZ will never eliminate this
The perhaps counterintuitive thing is that as natural selection has favoured less virulent strains it’s become a lot harder to eradicate.
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@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Terrible. Covid does not cause “weeks of severe pain”. At least stick to the facts.
"If you get vaccinated you might face a day or so of discomfort. If you don’t, there is a risk of death."
My wife is double vaxed and caught it as you do, felt sh*t like heavy flu for a week.
It's black-and-white scare tactics with a smattering of overkill, but I wouldn't knock that right now in the big picture if it helps get another few % get vaccinated.
The government want to attain a vaxx % level before we get our lives back. So motivating holdouts to get vaxxed is essential. This approach won't fix everyone, other approaches will be required. Vaxx passports will be another instrument. The rest of the country getting their relatively normal life back depends on it
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The perhaps counterintuitive thing is that as natural selection has favoured less virulent strains it’s become a lot harder to eradicate.
Viruses survive and evolve by spreading, it's normal they become less virulent over time. Killing your host rapidly ebola-style doesn't really help you breed/spread ...
Influenza seems to be at least 2,000-6,000 of years old, we'll never know until we develop a new scientific branch analogous to DnA carbon-dating.
Even having seen it develop, the science of genetic sequencing these days still fricken blows my mind. Scientists can track evolution gene by gene.
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@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The perhaps counterintuitive thing is that as natural selection has favoured less virulent strains it’s become a lot harder to eradicate.
Viruses survive and evolve by spreading, it's normal they become less virulent over time. Killing your host rapidly ebola-style doesn't really help you breed/spread ...
Influenza seems to be at least 2,000-6,00 of years old, we'll never know until we develop a new scientific branch analogous to DnA carbon-dating.
Even having seen it develop, the science of genetic sequencing these days still fricken blows my mind. Scientists can track evolution gene by gene.
What has made Covid-19 so insidious is its capacity for asymptomatic transmission.
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This is a thoughtful read from key players in the devt. of the vaccine by Astra Zeneca (science was from the Jenner Institute in Oxford University). Without getting political, the corporatization of science, and cutting of public healthcare to the bone and beyond has been shown up pretty globally by Covid.
MERS is a coronavirus and italics are my own of course ...
Sarah Gilbert, Saïd professor of vaccinology, Jenner Institute [Before Covid] I was developing vaccines against a range of emerging pathogens, specifically MERS, Nipah and Lassa [virus]. We also had applied for funding to work on preparedness for “disease X” – the unknown pathogen that is coming. But it wasn’t funded, so we didn’t manage to put any of those plans in place.
Teresa Lambe, associate professor, Jenner Institute We and others have sacrificed so much during this pandemic. I don’t want the next generation to have to do that. I don’t want my kids to have to do it. And it’s only a matter of time to the next pandemic – because there will be one. We need to put processes in place so we’re in a better place next time. I worry that we’re going to try to run into the sunset and forget what we’ve learned and what we’ve sacrificed.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
BOP now...
The cat is well and truly out of the bag. We must be ready to face up to living with covid19 whether we feel ready or not
That's the conclusion that Victoria came to, despite being the jurisdiction with reportedly the longest and harshest lockdown in the world.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
BOP now...
The cat is well and truly out of the bag. We must be ready to face up to living with covid19 whether we feel ready or not
That's the conclusion that Victoria came to, despite being the jurisdiction with reportedly the longest and harshest lockdown in the world.
Aren't they still in lockdown? I haven't talked to my sister there for a week, last time I spoke they were
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Has some good points but for me it seems to report from the angle that covid is bad, rather than really highlight the numbers/% of deaths and hospitalisation of those that are unvaccinated...sure it mentions it, but the tone of it to me is more how bad covid is
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@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Terrible. Covid does not cause “weeks of severe pain”. At least stick to the facts.
"If you get vaccinated you might face a day or so of discomfort. If you don’t, there is a risk of death."
Sigh. If you are healthy you might feel under the weather for a couple of days without vaccination. Risk of death is a little ripe or more hyperbole. If you are older, obese, diabetic or immunocompromised you are at risk but they have better treatment now and knowledge of the virus. Otherwise everyone else take a long deep breath. Jeez you kiwis are showing no balls. I thought we were a tougher crowd. I am 57 year old male, 58 tomorrow, could lose 30lbs to get down to a good weight, one day of fever then a couple of days feeing a little weak and sleeping like a log but able to get out and walk a couple of miles. I realized you only hear about the deaths but most people survive. Not minimizing it but this this is not going away. Thank the Chinese (government for you wokesters out there). Work on you health. Get away from carbs. Exercise outside (dumbest thing to confine people to there homes as covid is not floating around in the air and if so in what concentrations). I truly feel sorry for you guys. You are boxed in with the wrong people in control.
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This person that has moved to Katikati and then gone on a shopping spree...gotta wonder if there are rules in place when these people get special passes to allow moving over the border...similar to giving people passes before checking credentials, little wonder things are going the way they are.
Apparently the 2nd ho that came north has been contacted by police but not yet located (no idea if she up here or back in Auckland) so even if we get zero new cases, I don't think they will move us out of L3 due to the unknowns...not to mention however many dudes/chicks they shagged up here, have to assume some of them likely not gonna get tested anyway for fear of linking them, outing themselves if they are in a relationship.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This person that has moved to Katikati and then gone on a shopping spree...gotta wonder if there are rules in place when these people get special passes to allow moving over the border...similar to giving people passes before checking credentials, little wonder things are going the way they are.
There are rules and the story I heard last night was that they followed all of them and tried very hard to do the right thing. They got permission, they got double-jabbed, they got tested three times (all negative), they scanned everywhere they went and wore masks.
Nothing unusual in having to go to the shops after moving house.
Shit like this is going to happen.One minute people are crying out that we need to come back into the big world, next they seem to want no freedoms at all. I don't get it.