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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer It’s a very charitable stance towards the government to read the conference that way. She didn’t answer any of the questions that need answered. There is no detail, as usual, because they are useless at detail. On purpose, in my opinion, because detail makes you accountable where platitudes don’t.
I can understand not wanting to commit to when each step in Auckland's "Roadmap" will happen, but to me it shows cowardice. Just a whole lot of not wanting to disappoint people if they get it wrong. I think it would show better leadership if you provide a time frame along the lines of, "Auckland will move to step 1 immediately and assuming everything goes to plan we'll go to step 2 in two weeks, then step 3 two weeks after that. We'll review this every week and if these time frames look like they'll need to change, we'll let you know as soon as we make that decision." That would at least give a best case time frame.
The announcement of vaccine certificates without any details of when they'll be used just makes it look like they're not prepared at all. They're only just considering how things are going to work when we transition to living with covid? I would have expected that to have started months ago, or at least 7 weeks ago.
For me the gap is to explain what “everything going to plan” entails.
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@godder can only talk to the experience up here, but PnS and NW (2 big stores, 1 smaller NW) have been run much better than Countdown (3 stores) in regard to queuing, stock, managing in store, staff etc.
Interestingly, when the breakouts started in Auckland, Countdowns were the supermarket of choice for the infected...haha
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous they did that already, the best case time frame is 4 weeks, with weekly reviews.
I would call that an implied time frame from an accidental slip from Bloomfield. Or if it was intentional, then trying to distance yourself from it in case you don't meet it. That wouldn't make it much/any better though when the a main part of the problem is the avoidance of accountability.
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Does anyone know what the actual guidance arount the 10 person limit is?
I found this below, which seems to be the current order, but I cannot seem to see in there the rules about 10 people gatherings.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0263/latest/whole.html#whole
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Does anyone know what the actual guidance arount the 10 person limit is?
I found this below, which seems to be the current order, but I cannot seem to see in there the rules about 10 people gatherings.
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0263/latest/whole.html#whole
From the amendment not yet in force (https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2021/0298/latest/LMS563673.html), this appears to be it:
32A Limited outdoor gatherings permitted in alert level 3 area (1) A limited outdoor gathering is permitted in the alert level 3 area. (2) In this clause, limited outdoor gathering means a gathering that meets all of the following requirements: (a) the gathering occurs in any outdoor place in the alert level 3 area: (b) there are no more than 10 people at any one time at the gathering: (c) each of those people reside at 1 of a total of no more than 2 homes or places of residence within the alert level 3 area.
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Remember when the government said we would be at the front of the queue for vaccines?
Then when it was obvious that we were no where near the front of the queue they tried to pretend that it was because they were being benevolent to other countries and we’d done so well we didn’t need to get to the front of the queue ?
This bullshit was actually in a vaccine pamphlet when the vaccine rollout was proceeding at a glacial pace
Now it turns out we were never at the front of the queue and we didn’t bother talking to Pfizer for six weeks which was after everyone else got their orders in and made our procurement late and therefore more time for our failure of an MIQ setup to let Delta in .
https://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2021/10/govt-kept-pfizer-waiting-six-weeks-before-first-meeting/
Seriously, fuck these incompetents and the people that themselves out trying to make excuses for them .
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@jegga said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Remember when the government said we would be at the front of the queue for vaccines?
Then when it was obvious that we were no where near the front of the queue they tried to pretend that it was because they were being benevolent to other countries and we’d done so well we didn’t need to get to the front of the queue ?
This bullshit was actually in a vaccine pamphlet when the vaccine rollout was proceeding at a glacial pace
Now it turns out we were never at the front of the queue and we didn’t bother talking to Pfizer for six weeks which was after everyone else got their orders in and made our procurement late and therefore more time for our failure of an MIQ setup to let Delta in .
https://auckland.scoop.co.nz/2021/10/govt-kept-pfizer-waiting-six-weeks-before-first-meeting/
Seriously, fuck these incompetents and the people that themselves out trying to make excuses for them .
There's plenty of spin there (in the various materials and statements), but Pfizer only started phase 3 trials in late July 2020 - they were in no position to sell anything yet.
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Interesting Singapore comparison article for the moving forward.
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@godder thanks, appreciated. How did you find it by the way - I struggled through the Covid site, and google didn't get the updated version easily.
We're trying to do the right thing, but there isn't much in there. Lots of confusion about using toilets, distancing, popping bubbles, etc.
Ah well, we'll see how it goes,
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Interesting Singapore comparison article for the moving forward.
Decent article, shows that everyone is managing it based on healthcare capacity.
"Singapore reimposed restrictions when health capacity was pressured. Germany also has a rules-based approach – using up 10% of ICU capacity in a day triggers strict domestic and border restrictions."
Some chance we'll see "Plan B" winter controls in the UK if there's a surge - masking and working from home. Although it's always mentioned as a bit of a "stick", I also can't see vaccine passports being used here internally, only for international travel.
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I love that you can have friends over to your back yard, but if any of them need to take a shit they'll have to dig a hole somewhere.
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@no-quarter said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I love that you can have friends over to your back yard, but if any of them need to take a shit they'll have to dig a hole somewhere.
This isn't just standard practice? No wonder I used to get weird looks.
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This aged well
https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018781303/waiting-our-turn-for-the-covid-jab
In New Zealand, we're in a special situation. We don't have to give emergency approval. We can take a step back and look at all the evidence before we make a decision on whether this vaccine is safe and effective enough. It's not a foregone conclusion ... and it shows we're doing our own homework, and not relying on other countries to do it for us.
"The situation in New Zealand is such that we can wait, if we have to.
"No one is dying if we wait. Whereas in other countries, even if the vaccine was less safe, they may give authorisation because it would save more lives in the net."
Daalder points out the moral imperative too: the whole world wants to get their hands on Covid vaccines. But, to put it simply, other countries need it more than New Zealand at this point.
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Or this , i am shocked, shocked I tell you that this the same people behind the enormous success of Kiwibuild which has built to date (checks notes) …...1000 houses? Wtf ?
Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has defended New Zealand’s slow roll out of the Covid-19 vaccine, insisting its not a level playing field between countries.
New Zealand is well below fellow OECD countries when it comes to our vaccination rates per capita.
That’s compared to the likes of Israel with 60.97 per cent, France at 13.58 per cent and Ireland with 12.90 per cent of people vaccinated on a per capita basis.
Ardern bit back at criticism, highlighting the importance of ensuring nations hit hardest by Covid-19 have access to the vaccine.
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