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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@victor-meldrew there are dissenting epidemiologist voices but they don't get the same air time, particularly from the govt.
I guess larger countries are fortunate to have a pool of experts they can draw on for diverse opinions and then get a concensus
Anyway who needs an ologist when you have the wisdom of social media - channeling Maureen Lipman
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@victor-meldrew We have a 'road map' as of this afternoon, but as maps go it doesn't really have any distance markers or places of interest.
Thanks for that. The lack of milestones/distance markers is surprising.
Sadly it isn’t at all surprising.
Today I learned that if you ever get lost you should never ask our PM for directions. She’s likely to draw you a squiggly line and tell you it’s a map.
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@anonymous participation certificates is what society is all about
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Today's media conference. After Dr McElnay's update on today's new cases, there's a demonstration of the vaccination certificate they're trialling and further related info.
Having looked at some of the media articles from today, they're not reporting all the interesting details (as usual).During the media conference the PM also answers some questions such as"why no percentage of vaccination has been set for going down levels" (some of the points some Ferners have been expressing their frustration about). Questions about vaccination mandates near the end.
Some people will never be happy with the answers she gives because they want different answers, but she has at least answered the questions.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In another well planned announcement today, we will have vaccine certificates available in November. What they're going to actually be used for is still to be determined.
I think we will get more next Monday and a full framework later, but the PM did say it would apply to large events and hospitality, while not being required for essential healthcare or supermarkets.
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It is a 63 year old man but there is no name in there, so might be best not to speculate about who it is until he is named by the media in case suppression orders turn up.
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@godder Stuff 'understands' and names the 63 Yr old...
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@stargazer It’s a very charitable stance towards the government to read the conference that way. She didn’t answer any of the questions that need answered. There is no detail, as usual, because they are useless at detail. On purpose, in my opinion, because detail makes you accountable where platitudes don’t.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In another well planned announcement today, we will have vaccine certificates available in November. What they're going to actually be used for is still to be determined.
I think we will get more next Monday and a full framework later, but the PM did say it would apply to large events and hospitality, while not being required for essential healthcare or supermarkets.
So spending the same amount of time in aisles with other shoppers doesn't pose the threat sitting with a smaller amount of people eating lunch and having an ale or two does?
It's the arbitrary nature of these policies that annoy me the most. It suggests that it isn't driven by evidence.
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@antipodean from my observations Aucklanders were already meeting up outside, and the police had no way of stopping it as it's too hard to enforce. So these new rules are really just saying we are allowed to do what a lot of people are already doing, more to not look like they are losing control of the lockdowns than any health based evidence they are weighing up.
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This HAS to be satire ?
I mean, just read this…..
“Helen Petousis-Harris, a vaccinologist at the University of Auckland, said the vaccine did not have anything in it that can turn people into zombies”
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer It’s a very charitable stance towards the government to read the conference that way. She didn’t answer any of the questions that need answered. There is no detail, as usual, because they are useless at detail. On purpose, in my opinion, because detail makes you accountable where platitudes don’t.
I can understand not wanting to commit to when each step in Auckland's "Roadmap" will happen, but to me it shows cowardice. Just a whole lot of not wanting to disappoint people if they get it wrong. I think it would show better leadership if you provide a time frame along the lines of, "Auckland will move to step 1 immediately and assuming everything goes to plan we'll go to step 2 in two weeks, then step 3 two weeks after that. We'll review this every week and if these time frames look like they'll need to change, we'll let you know as soon as we make that decision." That would at least give a best case time frame.
The announcement of vaccine certificates without any details of when they'll be used just makes it look like they're not prepared at all. They're only just considering how things are going to work when we transition to living with covid? I would have expected that to have started months ago, or at least 7 weeks ago.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In another well planned announcement today, we will have vaccine certificates available in November. What they're going to actually be used for is still to be determined.
I think we will get more next Monday and a full framework later, but the PM did say it would apply to large events and hospitality, while not being required for essential healthcare or supermarkets.
So spending the same amount of time in aisles with other shoppers doesn't pose the threat sitting with a smaller amount of people eating lunch and having an ale or two does?
It's the arbitrary nature of these policies that annoy me the most. It suggests that it isn't driven by evidence.
Nothing to stop the supermarkets doing that themselves. Supermarkets are one of the most essential services, so the PM has generally been reluctant to stop people being able to go there.
Despite the closures as locations of interest and even with Delta, transmission in supermarkets doesn't appear to have happened in the current outbreak. Hard to say supermarkets are high risk when there has been no transmission in supermarkets.
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@anonymous said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer It’s a very charitable stance towards the government to read the conference that way. She didn’t answer any of the questions that need answered. There is no detail, as usual, because they are useless at detail. On purpose, in my opinion, because detail makes you accountable where platitudes don’t.
I can understand not wanting to commit to when each step in Auckland's "Roadmap" will happen, but to me it shows cowardice. Just a whole lot of not wanting to disappoint people if they get it wrong. I think it would show better leadership if you provide a time frame along the lines of, "Auckland will move to step 1 immediately and assuming everything goes to plan we'll go to step 2 in two weeks, then step 3 two weeks after that. We'll review this every week and if these time frames look like they'll need to change, we'll let you know as soon as we make that decision." That would at least give a best case time frame.
The announcement of vaccine certificates without any details of when they'll be used just makes it look like they're not prepared at all. They're only just considering how things are going to work when we transition to living with covid? I would have expected that to have started months ago, or at least 7 weeks ago.
For me the gap is to explain what “everything going to plan” entails.
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@godder can only talk to the experience up here, but PnS and NW (2 big stores, 1 smaller NW) have been run much better than Countdown (3 stores) in regard to queuing, stock, managing in store, staff etc.
Interestingly, when the breakouts started in Auckland, Countdowns were the supermarket of choice for the infected...haha
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@anonymous they did that already, the best case time frame is 4 weeks, with weekly reviews.
I would call that an implied time frame from an accidental slip from Bloomfield. Or if it was intentional, then trying to distance yourself from it in case you don't meet it. That wouldn't make it much/any better though when the a main part of the problem is the avoidance of accountability.
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