Coronavirus - Overall
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@kiwiwomble TR Jnr (16) has had 1 jab, was also an 'essential worker' at Pak'n;Save during lockdown haha
Miss 13 is coming along for her 1st jab on Sunday when we get our 2nd.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@L_n_P well if that kids parents are Anti-vax, that kid who is 12-15 to can choose to get vaccinated without consent
Thanks, just asking . That's key for me, assuming they are competent to make that decision it's ... good.
fyi there's a case in the UK system on adolescent i.e. 11-15 trans kids having access to puberty blockers without parental support if they need to. Thankfully the Court of Appeal has ruled in very very strong terms that the same principle of "Gillick competency" applies to trans kids equally to another kid who may need contraception or an abortion. Parental consent not needed. It might go to the Supreme Court, though my feeling is they'll refuse to hear it at all.
But IF parents or government give themselves the right to decide for an adolescent, legally it allows a gaping hole for the religious right to attack adolescents' right to access contraception and abortion ... again. And that's fricken huge, like moving back to to 60-70s.
(Sorry ... sidetrack!!)
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sometimes i really regret not having kids...and then others i think i just dont think im strong/smart/confident any number of other things to be responsible for another human
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@kiwiwomble bro you just adapt!
Some days you just want to strangle the little shits, then others you want to leave haha
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we asked our eldest if he wanted it and he said yes instantly
reason "i want to travel again"
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fyi Apparently our UK Chief Medical Officer has explained publically on TV regarding Gillick compency and that adolescents can make their own choice on vaccines. Twitter communities are having a meltdown on this!!
The Anti-Vax movement hate that their kids can make their own choice ...
The Gender Conformists and TERFs hate the recent confirmation that Trans kids can able to decide for themselves on puberty blockers ...
Feminists have gone quiet or are conflicted because if they are Anti-Vax or TERFS, attacking Gillick competency becomes an attack (primarily) on female adolescents' ability to access contraception and abortion which are hard-won cornerstones for them ...
Fascinating watching people trying to resolve their value conflicts. They're struggling!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Agree 100%.
Although the wife and I got vaccinated solely to be able to travel again... Don't need the vaccine for medical efficaciousness at our age and level of health, but did so in the hope we wouldn't be subjected to restrictions. Sad isn't it?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
You.take medicine for health reasons, not government policy reasons
Agree 100%.
Although the wife and I got vaccinated solely to be able to travel again... Don't need the vaccine for medical efficaciousness at our age and level of health, but did so in the hope we wouldn't be subjected to restrictions. Sad isn't it?
yeah in hindsight i did it because i thought, stupidly, it would open a few things up to me
sadly it makes no fucking difference, i could have sat on my hands for all the fucking good it's done me.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
sometimes i really regret not having kids...and then others i think i just dont think im strong/smart/confident any number of other things to be responsible for another human
~8 billion people on earth. How hard can it be?
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@kid-chocolate said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The numbers were inflated bc panicked people were scared to death by their administrative and cultural overlords. For many it was like getting a hangnail and calling an ambulance because they feared gangrene and arm amputation.
@kid-chocolate And there is a lot of truth to what you’re saying. People are truly scared over here, especially the Hispanics, blacks, Asians and liberal white people. That’s my experience as a healthcare worker.
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@antipodean and not fuck it up in some way? seems hard if im honest
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
i think i just dont think im strong/smart/confident any number of other things to be responsible for another human
Even as a parent, I still think this but my wife decided otherwise
My daughter (only-kid) heads away to university in a week. My emotions feel so conflicted ... huge mix of end-of-era sadness, general worrying, happiness for her.
Only things every parent would agree imo is that being a parent is a rollercoaster and it flashes by.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Overall:
sometimes i really regret not having kids...and then others i think i just dont think im strong/smart/confident any number of other things to be responsible for another human
That's the reason I never wanted kids but I figure they'd now come in handy to give me a lift back from the pub.
Double jabbed so where am I off to:
Sri Lanka?
Japan?
Morocco?
...... Auckland
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
5-11 year olds downstream
this chat has already started
Even though I'd probably vaccinate a young kid if I had one again ... I feel strangely conflicted on this.
We vaccinate our kids for MMR (Measles-Mumps-Rubella) and I never thought about it twice as a parent. Just did it. I fully accept Covid is here to stay for now and we live with it.
Just have this gut-feel that vaccinating younger kids may be driven as much or more by commercial opportunity and lobbying (Pfizer, I'm thinking of you ...!) than a genuine need to protect the kids.
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@l_n_p I think the rationale for vaxxing younger kids should be driven by the age demographic of the population.
For example if you didn't do it in sub-saharan africa you'd be leaving an enormous well for covid to reproduce and mutate in.
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@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - Overall:
5-11 year olds downstream
this chat has already started
Even though I'd probably vaccinate a young kid if I had one again ... I feel strangely conflicted on this.
We vaccinate our kids for MMR (Measles-Mumps-Rubella) and I never thought about it twice as a parent. Just did it. I fully accept Covid is here to stay for now and we live with it.
Just have this gut-feel that vaccinating younger kids may be driven as much or more by commercial opportunity and lobbying (Pfizer, I'm thinking of you ...!) than a genuine need to protect the kids.
I have a mate in the UK whose kids just had covid19. They got pretty sick, welts and swelling, basically like a really strong flu. Lasted some time. They weren't eligible for the vax at that time. Purely anecdotal of course, but I would want to spare my kids the prospect of getting really ill if there was even a small chance
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@canefan If I had young kids again, I'd vaccinate them too.
Mine's grown up now but I feel a bit conflicted at the idea if she was 5? ... my best guess is an emotional and protective parental response vs rational thinking.
Rational always wins for me, but not for a lot of other people. It's why in Europe and UK I think vaccinating kids in the short-term would be a big-picture net loss not a net gain.
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@mariner4life but that shouldn’t be the only criteria for being able to travel. Actually having the virus, as my kids have, should be enough for any medically astute person. Unfortunately it is a one size fits all but what do you expect from government.