Coronavirus - Australia
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life There was a virologist on radio this morning saying opening up the country once a vaccine target is achieved is racist because Maori will have a lower vaccination rate.
I get her point that even of the country at a whole is at (e.g.) 80% there will be pockets, geographically, ethnically, economically who may be much lower but every fucking effort is being made to address that issue.
Should the whole country remain closed because (e.g.) Pahiatua and / or 65+ Greek trans haven't had the jab?
FUCK OFF.
That hurts man
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@mariner4life My understanding is (at least in NSW) the issue isn't infrastructure, it's staffing. Liberal Governments love reducing recurrent funding to health/education/cops while at the same time building heaps of new infrastructure. So you have new hospitals but nobody to work in them.
So you add to that a pandemic that takes medical professionals out of the system for 14 days at a time and you've got a recipe for disaster.
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@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crazy-horse is there wide spread opposition in the police force or is it a vocal minority?
ive said this before, i dont actually know anyone first hand that is openly anti-vax so i find it interesting when things like this come up
I wouldn't say wide spread, but I do know a couple that are saying they will not be getting the jab. I guess we will find out how staunch they are when they are facing dismissal. I think noses are out of joint because it has been made compulsory. It's not necessarily about being anti Vax.
I’ve heard it’s in the hundreds, but we are taking about a police force of over 15,000
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life My understanding is (at least in NSW) the issue isn't infrastructure, it's staffing. Liberal Governments love reducing recurrent funding to health/education/cops while at the same time building heaps of new infrastructure. So you have new hospitals but nobody to work in them.
So you add to that a pandemic that takes medical professionals out of the system for 14 days at a time and you've got a recipe for disaster.
Joys of Capex vs Opex and a lack of operational knowledge in budgeting. That basically happened here in Christchurch as well - the government funded an expansion of Christchurch hospital, and then the plan to reduce the local District Health Board deficit included reducing operational spending to a point where the expansion can't be staffed...
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
What about Chairman Dan's latest?
Youse can now go for picnics! But you can't take your mask off to drink alcohol. But we've told the police not to enforce it.
Or shutting down transport into the city?
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and it's this feeling, very eloquently captured in this article, that the entire Qld tourism industry is fearing
i agree with so much of this, and empathise with a lot more
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I’m hearing that panic buying appears to be back in Melbourne. Costco stock being stretched and the aisles are absolutely packed with people. Hoping it may be because of school holidays starting and the weather being crap that it’s the only indoor place of novelty to take kids!
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@act-crusader really, that would be weird, i thought we were all just carrying on we were....although it was weird there was panic buying at the start of the current lockdown as i thought we'd shown it was unnecessary over the last year and a half
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so, philosophical discussion
i was reading teh Vic "roadmap" and there are very much different rules for vacced and unvacced
my question is, how do you feel about those? Do you think it is fair on the police, let alone hospo workers etc, to have to identify which group people belong to?
I'm as pro-vax as you can get, but, having these rules where you can have a shitload of vacced people, or 5 non-vacced is placing a lot of pressure on a few people.
How do you feel about being in public in a group of say 20 people, and having to show your "papers" to the cops on demand?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, philosophical discussion
i was reading teh Vic "roadmap" and there are very much different rules for vacced and unvacced
my question is, how do you feel about those? Do you think it is fair on the police, let alone hospo workers etc, to have to identify which group people belong to?
I'm as pro-vax as you can get, but, having these rules where you can have a shitload of vacced people, or 5 non-vacced is placing a lot of pressure on a few people.
How do you feel about being in public in a group of say 20 people, and having to show your "papers" to the cops on demand?
We currently have those rules in Sydney. The picnic rules are only for the Vaxxed. I doubt it's being enforced TBH. Most the Australians I saw yesterday while picnicking were unable to count to 5 and that didn't seem to be enforced.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, philosophical discussion
i was reading teh Vic "roadmap" and there are very much different rules for vacced and unvacced
my question is, how do you feel about those? Do you think it is fair on the police, let alone hospo workers etc, to have to identify which group people belong to?
I'm as pro-vax as you can get, but, having these rules where you can have a shitload of vacced people, or 5 non-vacced is placing a lot of pressure on a few people.
How do you feel about being in public in a group of say 20 people, and having to show your "papers" to the cops on demand?
im fine with showing "papers", i honestly don't see it as being hugely different to vax passports when i travelled or needing to show your drivers licence or ID to prove your over 18 to get into a bar, cost of living in a society
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, philosophical discussion
i was reading teh Vic "roadmap" and there are very much different rules for vacced and unvacced
my question is, how do you feel about those? Do you think it is fair on the police, let alone hospo workers etc, to have to identify which group people belong to?
I'm as pro-vax as you can get, but, having these rules where you can have a shitload of vacced people, or 5 non-vacced is placing a lot of pressure on a few people.
How do you feel about being in public in a group of say 20 people, and having to show your "papers" to the cops on demand?
im fine with showing "papers", i honestly don't see it as being hugely different to vax passports when i travelled or needed to show your drivers licence or ID to prove your over 18 to get into a bar, cost of living in a society
I wouldn't have had an issue showing my vax passport on my phone if asked yesterday.
Funnily, we actually realised that two of our five likely broke the restrictions to get to our picnic as they would have had to slightly drive out of their 5km to get to our spot, which is in the 5km. They're in a funny position in that most of their 5km is water.
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, philosophical discussion
i was reading teh Vic "roadmap" and there are very much different rules for vacced and unvacced
my question is, how do you feel about those? Do you think it is fair on the police, let alone hospo workers etc, to have to identify which group people belong to?
I'm as pro-vax as you can get, but, having these rules where you can have a shitload of vacced people, or 5 non-vacced is placing a lot of pressure on a few people.
How do you feel about being in public in a group of say 20 people, and having to show your "papers" to the cops on demand?
im fine with showing "papers", i honestly don't see it as being hugely different to vax passports when i travelled or needing to show your drivers licence or ID to prove your over 18 to get into a bar, cost of living in a society
big fucking difference between travelling to another country, and watching a kids soccer game with 50 other parents.
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@nepia said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, philosophical discussion
i was reading teh Vic "roadmap" and there are very much different rules for vacced and unvacced
my question is, how do you feel about those? Do you think it is fair on the police, let alone hospo workers etc, to have to identify which group people belong to?
I'm as pro-vax as you can get, but, having these rules where you can have a shitload of vacced people, or 5 non-vacced is placing a lot of pressure on a few people.
How do you feel about being in public in a group of say 20 people, and having to show your "papers" to the cops on demand?
im fine with showing "papers", i honestly don't see it as being hugely different to vax passports when i travelled or needed to show your drivers licence or ID to prove your over 18 to get into a bar, cost of living in a society
I wouldn't have had an issue showing my vax passport on my phone if asked yesterday.
Funnily, we actually realised that two of our five likely broke the restrictions to get to our picnic as they would have had to slightly drive out of their 5km to get to our spot, which is in the 5km. They're in a funny position in that most of their 5km is water.
isn't it 10km now?
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
so, philosophical discussion
i was reading teh Vic "roadmap" and there are very much different rules for vacced and unvacced
my question is, how do you feel about those? Do you think it is fair on the police, let alone hospo workers etc, to have to identify which group people belong to?
I'm as pro-vax as you can get, but, having these rules where you can have a shitload of vacced people, or 5 non-vacced is placing a lot of pressure on a few people.
How do you feel about being in public in a group of say 20 people, and having to show your "papers" to the cops on demand?
im fine with showing "papers", i honestly don't see it as being hugely different to vax passports when i travelled or needing to show your drivers licence or ID to prove your over 18 to get into a bar, cost of living in a society
big fucking difference between travelling to another country, and watching a kids soccer game with 50 other parents.
they're both choices, one may cost more sure but its a choice to have children and then its a choice for them to play sport etc etc
should you not have to pay the dues/fees for that sport if you don't want to? no, there's a cost for that choice, and now being vaxxed is the cost to do that too
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
but its a choice to have children and then its a choice for them to play sport etc etc
the fuck?
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we have to be arguing something completely different, because i have no idea what you are trying to say
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
isn't it 10km now?
Not that I know of ... unless it happened today?