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@antipodean when you consider the issues they have had off the field I suspect much that has flowed to on field ..and we could write a list .
I personally think they are a dark horse for the next RWC .
I don’t read to much into the strength of your super rugby teams as South Africa proved point at the last RWC but if you have 30 or so that can play test rugby and decent coach who can bring them together anything’s possible, plus don’t under estimate Scott Wisemantel who is Rennies attack coach , He has a very sharp mind and was Eddie Jones attack coach for both Japan and England when they beat the springboks in 2015 and the All Blacks in 2019 respectively.. -
@machpants maybe not right now , but in a RWC year circumstances change and given that he is already in France , I for one would’nt bet against it..
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Here we go again: the short term thinking for the national team, and nothing being announced about a development pathway for players and coaches.
Now, the success of the Wallabies is very important. It brings people to the game. A RWC win would be awesome.
But if we don't help build the lower levels, we will be back to where we started in a few years.
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@nta that’s a fair point , but I also think it’s a 2 way sword , unlike NZ where Rugby is King , Australia has to battle with 3 other winter codes and having a solid shop window so that next group of young kids do have something to aspire to and seeing a winning international team is so important.
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@steven-harris said in Aussie Rugby:
@nta that’s a fair point , but I also think it’s a 2 way sword , unlike NZ where Rugby is King , Australia has to battle with 3 other winter codes and having a solid shop window so that next group of young kids do have something to aspire to and seeing a winning international team is so important.
To battle with other codes, Rugby would need to even be a capable opponent.
Let the private schools fund their own little piddling pool pathway. Where RA should spend any money is in Western Sydney, completely fucking ignoring SRU and making sure we can compete with league in the 14-19yo areas.
Sort that out and we'd be back on track in a decade.
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@steven-harris said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean when you consider the issues they have had off the field I suspect much that has flowed to on field ..and we could write a list .
I personally think they are a dark horse for the next RWC .
I don’t read to much into the strength of your super rugby teams as South Africa proved point at the last RWC but if you have 30 or so that can play test rugby and decent coach who can bring them together anything’s possible, plus don’t under estimate Scott Wisemantel who is Rennies attack coach , He has a very sharp mind and was Eddie Jones attack coach for both Japan and England when they beat the springboks in 2015 and the All Blacks in 2019 respectively..Is Scott on sabbatical at the moment?
I subscribe to the belief that RWC has a bit to do with luck. South Africa is a good example. 2007 they won by virtue of the All Blacks not progressing and an easy path. 2019 the easy path and a final against a team whose structure was developed to beat one team.
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@antipodean When you actually look at the record of the ABs since 2010 its kind of remarkable they didn't win 2019 and i fully expect them to win 2023 and beyond. It took four years of England prep peaking at the exact right time to knock them off.
No one comes close, consistently. Though in 20 years, once the player drain is in full swing, France and England might.
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@machpants Skelton has openly admitted to not missing Australia at all. He never got a real shot at the Wallabies, had some mental health issues here and i think he is loving life in Europe (not to mention succeeding in every team he plays in).
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This isn't the news you want after the Wallaby wins.
Rugby Australia has released a statement following the arrest of a senior executive on alleged child pornography charges.
According to the statement the board met and resolved to terminate the individual's employment effective immediately. There was no confirmation of what the charges were, nor was the executive named.
New Limited publications have stated that the man was arrested by federal police after a laptop and mobile phone allegedly containing videos of young children being sexually abused were seized during a raid.
He was charged with one count each of using a carriage service to solicit child abuse material, possessing or controlling child abuse material obtained or accessed using a carriage service, using a carriage service to access child abuse material, and causing child abuse material to be transmitted to self using a carriage service.
The 41-year-old Sydney man appeared in the Parramatta Local Court on Saturday where he was refused bail. He will next appear in the Central Local Court on 10th November.
Rugby Australia stated that it takes all matters relating to the behaviour of its employees very seriously.
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@bovidae
You have done well Bovidae - a brief scan of the main dailies and Fox Sports reveals no report on this.It is clearly not an ARU problem and they need not be pursued on it but they will be, it is nonetheless sub-optimal!
What a nasty little world there is, hiding in dark places!
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NSW Waratahs enter partnership with San Diego Legion
In an exciting development for the growth and alignment between Australian and American rugby, the NSW Waratahs have entered a commercial partnership with Major League Rugby (MLR) franchise the San Diego Legion.
**NSW Waratahs enter partnership with San Diego Legion** Rugby is the largest growing team sport in the United States and features a national domestic competition that is growing from strength to strength presenting a very attractive commercial and development proposition for the Waratahs. Established in 2017 with seven franchises, the MLR is entering its 5th season and has now expanded to 13 franchises. The San Diego Legion is one of the founding and most successful franchises of the MLR and is owned by US-based Australian lawyer Darren Gardner and US entrepreneur Ryan Patterson. Over the first four seasons of the MLR, San Diego Legion has fielded a star-studded international line-up featuring former Waratahs Paddy Ryan and Cameron Clark, household name international Test players like Ma’a Nonu and Chris Robshaw as well as a host of US and Canadian Test players and capped Super Rugby players. The objective of the partnership between the Waratahs and the Legion is to assist both organisations to promote and grow the game in their home jurisdictions, exchange business operations ideas, evolve game day experiences, foster and grow players, coaching, and administration talent, and develop potential business and commercial opportunities. A major part of the partnership focuses on high performance and elite player development allowing the NSW Waratahs and San Diego Legion the opportunity to work collaboratively by exchanging players, sharing talent identification information, as well as providing opportunities for development players to experience the rugby culture in another country. The partnership aims to develop collective commercial initiatives incorporating both organisations’ assets, with the goal of building the profile of the Waratahs brand in the USA market while simultaneously building the profile of San Diego Legion in Australia and Asia Pacific region. These initiatives include joint memberships, sponsorship and merchandise along with opportunities for both organisation’s commercial partners to have a broader reach into the respective American and Pacific regions. NSW Waratahs CEO Paul Doorn said: “This is a ground-breaking partnership with the opportunities it creates for both the Waratahs and the San Diego Legion. “The USA is the sleeping giant in world rugby and provides fantastic commercial and player development opportunities. “The rapid growth and success of the MLR highlights the potential of the game in the USA and we look forward to working closely with the Legion to strengthen both organisations from a commercial and high-performance perspective.” San Diego Legion Co-owner Darren Gardner said: "San Diego Legion is very focused on being a world class rugby organization. The US has a phenomenal pool of athletes and has the potential talent to become a legitimate force in world rugby. To do that, we need to continue to learn and develop our rugby systems, coaches, players and administration and we are excited by the opportunity that the partnership with the Waratahs presents for us to take that to the next level. “At the same time, the US is the world’s largest economy and the global leader in professional sports. As a rugby market, it offers a commercial opportunity that doesn’t exist anywhere else. It is an amazing time for the game here and we look forward to welcoming the Waratahs into the fold. “For me personally, growing up in country New South Wales with a life-long passion for rugby, I could not be more delighted with the partnership”. -
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Maybe it isn't a bad short-term strategy to let guys have time at home - going to Europe after TRC and then probably having to quarantine back here after isn't a thrilling prospect for anyone, especially as you're meant to be diving into preseason straight after.
Will it help team cohesion tho? Will it help us win? Is it just there to remind these guys they can still play for Australia?
If we don't get JOC right playing 10, and if Kerevi isn't available, the team suddenly looks very different.
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aussie needs to becomes competitive in the short term to grow the interest and have some people to come through long term
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@kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
aussie needs to becomes competitive in the short term to grow the interest and have some people to come through long term
While I agree in principle, I'm becoming less convinced of the viability of the longer term fortunes from Wallaby success.
There are a lot of impediments in place to linking current success to the next generation of Wallabies, including Sydney Club Rugby and the lack of alignment with schools.
EDIT: laziness plays a part as well. When Australian Rugby does something significant and positive, there is a tendency to sit on laurels.
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@nta sorry, should be re clear, i mean more Aussie in general, starting with the club scene and going up, ive said before i was shocked club games in melbourne clashed with Super games for example, considering there is nothing in between the clubs and a rebels contract...they should be doing as much as they can to make sure those that enjoy playing rugby...actually go and watch the rebels
Part of that is also given them something to watch and enjoy, and winning more games would help
