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@antipodean I have never once been part of these polls that apparently represent my views.
I do know plenty of people have shifted their views in the past few months or more, and that small demographic has a decent representation.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'd suggest the case is overwhelming that New Zealanders want an elimination strategy.
We may want one, but Delta is showing we sure as shit can't have one. The options are (after everyone is vaccinated):
- open up
- lock down regularly, consistently, and for extended periods, and then eventually open up anyway.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Go fuck yourselves New Zealand.
Yeah like we fucking want this as well.
Yay, we are all saying, level 4, businesses going broke, can't leave the country to visit overseas relatives. can't get back into the country if we do.
Fuck you covid might have been a better target.
Mrs CF was talking with a colleague in the US who had a tough time last year. Both parents died from Covid19. Shitty times indeed
Requoting, just so people can see it again & the fact it represents exactly what I think too.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'd suggest the case is overwhelming that New Zealanders want an elimination strategy.
We may want one, but Delta is showing we sure as shit can't have one. The options are (after everyone is vaccinated):
- open up
- lock down regularly, consistently, and for extended periods, and then eventually open up anyway.
My concern is that our vaccinations will not be used smartly, and that prolonged isolation means we need to start the vax process all over again if the virus moves on too far
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat don't be so flippant and dismissive, i've read it 3 times (the worst was before the edit when they first posted when it said gradual re-opening in 2023)
"opening up" given what he is talking about, what does that look like? Because it still looks a lot like 14 day quarantine for the immediate and not-so-immediate future. Who the fuck has the time to add 14 days to the start of a trip? At cost? That is a pretty significant barrier. Especially for a bloke with two pretty active boys who would hate it. And it's not like you can just book a spot. They gonna open more hotels?
Add in the Qld idiocy and it's 14 days on the way back as well.
Cheery picking the two most positive sounding parts to once again minimise how we are feeling doesn't really help things does it?
Jesus. What?
yeah, by the time i read it a 2nd time it had been revised to 2022
Fucking hell. My boy is pretty likely to never hug at least one of his grandparents again.
Yep, had that conversation with the wife earlier. This is confirmation that there is no chance I'll see the old lady again, that the kids will see their Nana, As it stands, if she went took the final turn tomorrow, I don't think I'd even try to come home - because it appears impossible to get into or out of MIQ, let alone get a flight that matches the times. At best I'd probably be watching the funeral on zoom from a hotel room rather than at home with my kids.
Can’t upvote that. It sums up my situation too and I really feel for you.
Fuck this shit totally.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life Apologies for rattling your cage it was far from my intent. I feel for your predicament and that of everyone similarly affected. Certainly wasn't meaning to be flippant.
I chose the two quotes because they talk about MIQ not being a long term answer. There is plenty of noise from government sources over here that talks about the need to relax restrictions at the border.
Of course being politicians that's all it is plus the landscape can change very quickly as we have seen.
There is still broad support for a lockdown continuing in the short term - with a sizeable minority who seem happy to lock our border forever so govt pronouncements reflect that . However I expect that support will start to erode pretty quickly once we get to 70 and then 80% vaccinated. That's when the government will have to start having the hard discussion about trading freedoms for (effectively) lives.
Cindy doesn't like having those sorts of dialogues but she is ruled by the opinion polls. I don't think it'll help you guys this coming summer but I'M still hopeful we will open up Q2 22
Appreciate you trying to be positive, I really do.
But although there are soundbites in there, it really reads to me that the NZ government is in absolutely no position to take one single risk which could possibly allow covid in. Here are some comments:
Covid-19 Minister Chris Hipkins says the Government’s bold “reopening” plan for the world will have to be completely reworked in the light of the new outbreak.
Why Chris, what's changed? New Zealand learned no new information. The virus is transmissible and if you completely shut a country and area down, it will transmit less. Why does it need to be reworked?
We were looking at a situation where you could stratify countries based on risk, and I think in the Delta environment, we actually have to consider whether, in fact, that's an appropriate thing to do, recognising that all countries, all people coming into the country at this point, have a degree of risk associated with them, Hipkins said.
Obviously, at the moment, the focus is on responding to the current outbreak, but I think we will have to look again at some of that thinking around particularly the country-risk profiling, because I think Delta has changed the game.
Hipkins is basically saying, that anybody that has Delta, which is the whole world, is completely fucked in their view. Therefore nobody gets in without two weeks MIQ for the foreseeable future.
Do we think it's viable for a prolonged period of time to continue to restrict movement at the border to the, sort of, 4500 rooms’ worth of people in any given fortnight? I think the reality is it is not going to be viable to sustain that beyond the, sort of, immediate global response phase of Covid-19,Hipkins said.
This gives hope, right? No, not in my view. Take that with the above quote, he's saying that the 4,500 rooms is not enough. Thus, I expect the government will then look to block another 10,000 rooms (if there is that left given all the rooms already booked up for the homeless) so there can be more movement with the self isolation.
We have elimination strategies for other infectious diseases, and we do that without necessarily needing to restrict movement at the border.
Combining this statement with the above regarding the delta game changer bullshit, I don't believe it for a single second.
Hipkins, as I said above. Fuck your own face.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the Government’s “bold” “reopening” “plan”
I've added the quote marks that Stuff missed.
To be fair, the government could have learnt something from this outbreak: that their plan is too slow and going to drag on endlessly with massive costs to the country. That's probably giving them too much credit though.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat don't be so flippant and dismissive, i've read it 3 times (the worst was before the edit when they first posted when it said gradual re-opening in 2023)
"opening up" given what he is talking about, what does that look like? Because it still looks a lot like 14 day quarantine for the immediate and not-so-immediate future. Who the fuck has the time to add 14 days to the start of a trip? At cost? That is a pretty significant barrier. Especially for a bloke with two pretty active boys who would hate it. And it's not like you can just book a spot. They gonna open more hotels?
Add in the Qld idiocy and it's 14 days on the way back as well.
Cheery picking the two most positive sounding parts to once again minimise how we are feeling doesn't really help things does it?
Jesus. What?
yeah, by the time i read it a 2nd time it had been revised to 2022
Fucking hell. My boy is pretty likely to never hug at least one of his grandparents again.
I feel for you mate. My boy is yet to hug one set of grandparents at all.
Our country has abandoned us, and has become a weird covid/Jacinda cult hiding away at the bottom of the world.
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Some details of Shaun Hendy's models are available here:
https://www.tepunahamatatini.ac.nz/2021/09/07/technical-reports/
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat don't be so flippant and dismissive, i've read it 3 times (the worst was before the edit when they first posted when it said gradual re-opening in 2023)
"opening up" given what he is talking about, what does that look like? Because it still looks a lot like 14 day quarantine for the immediate and not-so-immediate future. Who the fuck has the time to add 14 days to the start of a trip? At cost? That is a pretty significant barrier. Especially for a bloke with two pretty active boys who would hate it. And it's not like you can just book a spot. They gonna open more hotels?
Add in the Qld idiocy and it's 14 days on the way back as well.
Cheery picking the two most positive sounding parts to once again minimise how we are feeling doesn't really help things does it?
Jesus. What?
yeah, by the time i read it a 2nd time it had been revised to 2022
Fucking hell. My boy is pretty likely to never hug at least one of his grandparents again.
I feel for you mate. My boy is yet to hug one set of grandparents at all.
Our country has abandoned us, and has become a weird covid/Jacinda cult hiding away at the bottom of the world.
Jesus. That's worse than I've got it, because at least my boy has cuddled his grandparents, even if it never happens again.
I know that our little stories aren't much compared to the tragedy for those who have lost family members, but all this shit adds up. It's just totally shit and I feel that same way - especially when I see my friends posting that ridiculous shark pool versus non-shark pool comic on facebook and clapping themselves on the back.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 that is the dumbest fucking thing
We're talking about the comic, not me right?
I'm second dumbest?
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I’m thankful my life is not hindered much at all by this. The worst thing for us is delaying having a house on the market cos of the recent lockdown. The very definition of a “first world problem” if ever I saw one.
I took great joy in seeing my folks take my sons ( and their little half siblings ) to the pool today and we all had a cuppa afterwards. I’m not taking things like this for granted when I realise so many of you fellas on here can’t do something as simple and pleasurable as this.
My heart goes out to all you guys who are doing it tough in terms of not being with your families. I wish I could do more than offer a few lame words on an Internet forum.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@gt12 that is the dumbest fucking thing
Indeed. My first thought when I saw that comic was studying Nazi propaganda in 4th form Social Studies.
I'm the first to admit that it's an extremely long bow to draw, and it's a colossal drama queen comment. But there are parallels.
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@gt12 yeah my wife last saw her dad 4 years ago, since.then he has had a.scrap with prostate cancer, her mum left 2.weeks before we went into lockdown last year, her sister and her family had been saving to come out at the start of this year (obviously started saving before covid)
So we are lucky we have at least seen them too, is a shit situation all round.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
My concern is that our vaccinations will not be used smartly, and that prolonged isolation means we need to start the vax process all over again if the virus moves on too far
Ha ha - you're probably right - clown world
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How many of these people may die prematurely due to delayed surgery?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How many of these people may die prematurely due to delayed surgery?
Some surely. Others whose prognosis will be negatively affected by delays
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