Coronavirus - Australia
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Australia has been lucky because of our geographical isolation, but we have been educated to be afraid of death from COVID-19, and not accepting of the fact that patients will die from this disease.
That part there applies to NZ too.
Which has served us well to date. But now there a a large proportion of the population who see walling ourselves off as the solution
Has NZ given any indication of a plan to open up when vax rates are high enough?
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@gibbonrib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Australia has been lucky because of our geographical isolation, but we have been educated to be afraid of death from COVID-19, and not accepting of the fact that patients will die from this disease.
That part there applies to NZ too.
Which has served us well to date. But now there a a large proportion of the population who see walling ourselves off as the solution
Has NZ given any indication of a plan to open up when vax rates are high enough?
Yes, an indication would best describe it ... , but not an indication of a plan.
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@gibbonrib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Australia has been lucky because of our geographical isolation, but we have been educated to be afraid of death from COVID-19, and not accepting of the fact that patients will die from this disease.
That part there applies to NZ too.
Which has served us well to date. But now there a a large proportion of the population who see walling ourselves off as the solution
Has NZ given any indication of a plan to open up when vax rates are high enough?
The conversation was just warming up in that regard when this delta outbreak kicked off.
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The unofficial plan is, eliminate this wave again if possible, getting vax rates up, then the almost inevitable once every 3 months border leak ... don't bother trying to re-eliminate. Contain and manage etc form there.
This way no politician or public health official has to decide to 'let the virus in'.
(that is my reading of it)
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The unofficial plan is, eliminate this wave again if possible, getting vax rates up, then the almost inevitable once every 3 months border leak ... don't bother trying to re-eliminate. Contain and manage etc form there.
This way no politician or public health official has to decide to 'let the virus in'.
(that is my reading of it)
Ok, well I'm glad good to take a few trips and see the country before you closed down
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@rapido yeah I think it was on Friday Cindy said:
Elimination is the best strategy for us while we vaccinate everyone, she said.
How reasonable that is depends on whether everyone means everyone or 70% of everyone
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@gibbonrib well I assume they have a target, cos we know everyone wont get vaccinated, my guess is 70% is what we will get, anything higher is a bonus.
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@taniwharugby sounds sensible. Would probably be a good idea to share that with the public though
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@gibbonrib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby sounds sensible. Would probably be a good idea to share that with the public though
Why would they want to do that? That creates expectations, and metrics to judge them by.....
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@gibbonrib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@taniwharugby sounds sensible. Would probably be a good idea to share that with the public though
Why would they want to do that? That creates expectations, and metrics to judge them by.....
Well, you could share the target without that date, like in Aus. So if we don't open up its your own fault for not getting vaxxed quicker
(But I know that's not your point)
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The average survival after one is admitted to a nursing home is less than 12 months
Shit. Less than 12 months.
Plus I have a colleague who had whooping cough this year.
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@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The average survival after one is admitted to a nursing home is less than 12 months
Shit. Less than 12 months.
Plus I have a colleague who had whooping cough this year.
Geez. Good article, thanks Barbarian.Yeah, that jumped out didn't it!
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The average survival after one is admitted to a nursing home is less than 12 months
> Shit. Less than 12 months.
Plus I have a colleague who had whooping cough this year.
Geez. Good article, thanks Barbarian.Yeah, that jumped out didn't it!
As someone who probably has no choice but to do that for their elderly parent back in NZ, it sure did... hopefully it is an Australian rather than NZ statistic but probably same for both.. (hard finding a good Australian rest home I heard)..
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it might sound callus and i dont want it to be, but im coming from the other side, we put my grandmother in care probably 4 years ago and i wished she had passed, dementia has overtaken her, the strong and loving women i grew up with has become sometimes mean and violent, her mind has betrayed her by becoming sick and her body has betrayed her by just doing enough to keep going, its horrible and i imagine even worse for her
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
it might sound callus and i dont want it to be, but im coming from the other side, we put my grandmother in care probably 4 years ago and i wished she had passed, dementia has overtaken her, the strong and loving women i grew up with has become sometimes mean and violent, her mind has betrayed her by becoming sick and her body has betrayed her by just doing enough to keep going, its horrible and i imagine even worse for her
That sucks mate. I haven't had to witness that first hand, but doesn't look fun. I expect in my circumstance Mum will be skipping the retirement home and going straight to hospice at some point when she's done defying science!
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@voodoo that actually what happened with Grandma, we were lining up a retirement village and she started getting all worked up about things, started saying she was being forced to sell her house, that we were stealing from her, thats when we clicked it was more than just age
backed out of the retirement village and went for the dementia home, full medical support and stuff as she went down hill fast...ad then just plateau at a really bad place
I feel the worst for my mum as shes the only one left in chch to go and visit, i spend my calls to her just convincing her she CANT take grandma home and look after her
and the people that work in those kinds of places are fucking saints by and large
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@kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo that actually what happened with Grandma, we were lining up a retirement village and she started getting all worked up about things, started saying she was being forced to sell her house, that we were stealing from her, thats when we clicked it was more than just age
backed out of the retirement village and went for the dementia home, full medical support and stuff as she went down hill fast...ad then just plateau at a really bad place
I feel the worst for my mum as shes the only one left in chch to go and visit, i spend my calls to her just convincing her she CANT take grandma home and look after her and the people that work in those kinds of places are fucking saints by and large
very true
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My completely anecdotal sense of that average time in a rest home is that there are two relative extremes averaging themselves out. From what I've seen over the last two years, quite a few people end up there for 'just' a few weeks to a few months at the very end. Others, where the body is strong but the mind is gone (and vice versa), spend several years there.
One thing I was naïve about Alzheimer's/dementia was that it's more than 'just' memory loss. That paranoia that @kiwiwomble mentions is a big sign. At one stage we could just about set the clock by Mum's sundowning at around 4.30pm. The workers are definitely Saints, we get to visit earlier in the day, and don't have to deal with that as much. Whoever is living with them at the stage just before an Alzheimer's patient goes into residential care also deserves a medal...
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@nostrildamus said in Coronavirus - Australia:
As someone who probably has no choice but to do that for their elderly parent back in NZ, it sure did... hopefully it is an Australian rather than NZ statistic but probably same for both.. (hard finding a good Australian rest home I heard)..
It really depends what level of care is required, and how this "12 month" period is gauged. If it is a 12-month period after an extended hospital stay, that makes complete sense - chances are they were in hospital for a reason.
My wife's mum is now nearly 4 years into residential care, and she went high-level care about 2 years into that after trying to make a break for it one Xmas day. Can't talk, walk, or do much but sit there these days.
12 months would have been a blessing.