Super Rugby 2022
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I can understand @Derpus point but it's not that easy to figure out an alternative for RA in the short term.
RA needs volume of games (something this comp provides - 7 home games each).
SRAU simply does not have enough games on it's own.
Also bear in mind - in this format only 3 teams do you play twice - in other words the home games are mostly going to be a once every 2 years experience.
Running two or three rounds of domestic comps playing the same 4 opponents every year is going to wear very thin very quick.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
Why are you so intent on playing TT if you are also intent on ensuring it will have minimal appeal here?
Pretty difficult to argue with that... because it's made up.
We could go through all this, yet again... but we've all seen what happens when that path is followed... and I simply do not have the time or inclination to once again be drawn into appearing the second fool.
But, just for giggles - why don't you outline your utopia for Australian Rugby?
If I was to have a guess, it would look something like South African Rugby in 2020?
An all-domestic competition... an australian team wins. Yay - crowd interest. In... 2/5 of the country?
Zero international rugby - Wallabies go unbeaten. Yay... great result... proof the system is working.
But then the World Cup rolls around... yeah, nah... we'll pass, thanks - that's just an overblown festival, let's stick with what's working. -
I'm wondering if I'm living in a glassbowl. The RWC has such appeal and interest (David Beckham even prefers it to football==soccer) but club and provincial rugby and in Australia even national/international rugby is struggling.
For the Aussies I suggest you just need to bring back the biffo and shady, inarticulate but completely offensive warehouse brawlers with a giant mo or two. Seems to go down well. -
@kruse my utopia is a proper domestic competition, with a champions cup tacked on if there absolutely has to be TT content.
The lack of a proper domestic competition is the number 1 reason we have fallen behind NZ and SA. Committing to this 'same ol' shit' comp just further embeds the terrible structures we have in place.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kruse my utopia is a proper domestic competition, with a champions cup tacked on if there absolutely has to be TT content.
The lack of a proper domestic competition is the number 1 reason we have fallen behind NZ and SA. Committing to this 'same ol' shit' comp just further embeds the terrible structures we have in place.
Okay - yeah, an Aus domestic competition - I think everybody's on board with that.
Whether that feed into a subsequent SANZAAR level "Champions Cup", or sits outside of something like... "Super Rugby" - exactly like NZ and SA are doing, who you apparently want to catch up with... is a completely different question.
And - there doesn't HAVE to be TT content... but do you think the Wallabies are going to keep-up/improve without it?So when it's verbalised as "Super Rugby is shit, Bledisloe is shit, we shouldn't be playing anybody else cause we can't win - so, umm... it's shit, because... people will turn off..." - well, there's going to be pushback.
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@kruse Fair enough. Doesn't really change the fact that, from an Australian perspective, SR is shit and we do play too many Bledisloe's.
I never said we shouldn't play anyone else. I said we play NZ too much.
I don't understand why its a fait accompli that if we don't get fucking reamed by NZ teams week in week out we can never improve.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kruse my utopia is a proper domestic competition, with a champions cup tacked on if there absolutely has to be TT content.
The lack of a proper domestic competition is the number 1 reason we have fallen behind NZ and SA. Committing to this 'same ol' shit' comp just further embeds the terrible structures we have in place.
You've never had a proper domestic competition and the period when you were ahead of NZ was peak Super rugby. The previous period to that was peak South Pacific Championship.
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RA and NZR have confirmed the formation of Super Rugby Pacific after months of discussions and speculation. The 12-team tournament will see Fijian Drua and Moana Pasifika join the five Australian and five New Zealand sides, set to kick off on 18 February 2022. Teams will play each other once across the 14-week regular season, along with playing three teams twice, with an added focus on delivering more local derbies following the success of Super Rugby AU and Aotearoa. The final series will see the top eight teams battle it out, with quarters, semis and final as follows: Quarterfinals – 1 v 8, 2 v 7, 3 v 6 and 4 v 5 with the top ranked team hosting Semi-Finals – top ranked quarter-final winner hosts against lowest ranked quarter-final winner & 2nd highest ranked quarterfinal winner hosts 3rd highest ranked quarterfinal winner Final – top ranked semi-final winner hosts the other semi-final winnerRA, NZR launch new era with formation of Super Rugby Pacific
SANZAAR has confirmed the formation of 'Super Rugby Pacific' after months of discussions and speculation
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@kiwimurph said in Super Rugby 2022:
along with playing three teams twice, with an added focus on delivering more local derbies
That's the big change since the last announcement.
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This has additional quotes from MP and FD:
Super Rugby Pacific format confirmed
Super Rugby Pacific will kick off a new era for the world’s most exciting professional rugby competition next February with a 15-week regular season and a refreshed finals format, New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and Rugby Australia (RA) have announced.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
This has additional quotes from MP and FD:
Super Rugby Pacific format confirmed
Super Rugby Pacific will kick off a new era for the world’s most exciting professional rugby competition next February with a 15-week regular season and a refreshed finals format, New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and Rugby Australia (RA) have announced.
Teams will play eight teams once and three teams twice with an emphasis on derby matches
I wonder what this means, exactly. Obviously good for Oz 🙄
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12 Teams. Five Oz. Five NZ. Fijian Druan. Moana Pasifika.
14 Game regular season. 7 Home games. 7 Away.
Each team to play each other once then three extra derbies.
One points table. No conference system. Teams to be ranked 1 to 12.
Top eight teams to qualify for Quarter Finals (1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5). Then Semis, then the Grand Final.
17 week competition to start in February 2022and finish before a July International window.
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@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@tim said in Super Rugby 2022:
Amusing that DMac is in the promo image.
I like the name, open to a couple of Japanese teams please, then we don't get the stupid extra 3 games
Agreed, best thing about this new competition is the name. Future expansion to Japan or west USA left as possible. Makes clear that the future of the competition does not involve the SA sides.
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Seems to be an even playing field and a fresh start. Bring it on.
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Pretty happy with it, regardless of an 8 team finals which is trying to give everyone a prize scenario, I don't mind the 3 extra games being derbies, if it helps the weaker country c'est la vie, no system is perfect! Love we have a couple of PI teams, and reckon the work on is a Japan and American team.
