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@kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan you missed my point. Select Committees are meeting via zoom.
I agree about the ERC. That is pure politics by Cindy. It was Bridges finest (only good) hour. Cindy clearly doesn't want to give David Seymour oxygen through convening the ERC. I don't think she's bothered by Collins. Crusher will get distracted by something with no electoral appeal.
I just think Collins has misplayed it, but this seems to be her downfall. She has no strategy or it seems any tactical approach
You keep moving the conversation back to Collins, we can take it for granted you don't like or rate her.
The government taking actions to reduce questions they recevie on the mishandling of the vaccine rollout is worth a better discussion than which politicians you dislike.
Irony is so delicious.
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@kirwan I don’t rate Collins. I think she’s a liability to the National Party. A National Party who unfortunately are a rabble of an opposition and are failing to hold the government to account
Pointing this out in a thread called NZ Politics doesn’t seem to me to be going off topic.
As for criticising the government for their COVID response I think you’ll find I’ve done my fair share
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@frank the party would surely splinter as the left wing would rebel. So achieve nothing
It’s not as simple as left/right. Act’s internal polling says that 1/3 of their recent gains have come direct from Labour
A take over of National would never happen. I could imagine a situation where National makes errors and Act poaches quality and/or high profile candidates.
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@duluth said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@frank the party would surely splinter as the left wing would rebel. So achieve nothing
It’s not as simple as left/right. Act’s internal polling says that 1/3 of their recent gains have come direct from Labour
A take over of National would never happen. I could imagine a situation where National makes errors and Act poaches quality and/or high profile candidates.
Out of curiosity, why would a Labour voter defect to Act?
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@frank said in NZ Politics:
@duluth said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@frank the party would surely splinter as the left wing would rebel. So achieve nothing
It’s not as simple as left/right. Act’s internal polling says that 1/3 of their recent gains have come direct from Labour
A take over of National would never happen. I could imagine a situation where National makes errors and Act poaches quality and/or high profile candidates.
Out of curiosity, why would a Labour voter defect to Act?
Seymour has been talking a lot of sense lately. But I assumed his gains were at the expense of the Nats
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@duluth I think those Labour voters are the swing centre voters who deserted National at the last election
Now they’re passed at Labour but can’t stomach National either. So they are coming from Labour last time out but not core left wing supporters
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Is it fair to say Semour has pushed ACT left a bit in some ways? I know he came out as pro choice
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Well they aren’t socialists. They could easily be people with left wing views though
I think too many people equate left v right with big v small gov (Muldoon/Birch were big gov right wingers for instance)
Not everyone of the left wants the extension of government into every aspect of life. So the anti-pc/anti-woke leftists need somewhere to go
Seymour’s Act isn’t particularly right wing. Maybe on law and order, but that is largely about protecting property rights and not all aspects of policing etc
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@kirwan I don’t rate Collins. I think she’s a liability to the National Party. A National Party who unfortunately are a rabble of an opposition and are failing to hold the government to account
Pointing this out in a thread called NZ Politics doesn’t seem to me to be going off topic.
As for criticising the government for their COVID response I think you’ll find I’ve done my fair share
Then we are furiously agreeing. I also don’t rate Collins, and have been very disappointed in National since the grown ups retired.
That they can make traction against a government that makes weekly whopper mistakes is a big mark against them.
My complaint was I wasn’t wanting the 100th go around of Collins is shit, the content of shutting down parliament when easy options exist for it to continue, and attempts to suppress opposition to their policies is alarming.
All done with a huge smile and an empathic head nod.
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@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
Is it fair to say Semour has pushed ACT left a bit in some ways? I know he came out as pro choice
ACT was after all started by a Labour guy (and a Nat).. and starred a Mr Richard Prebble (briefly, well, 8 years)..
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
Is it fair to say Semour has pushed ACT left a bit in some ways? I know he came out as pro choice
ACT was after all started by a Labour guy (and a Nat).. and starred a Mr Richard Prebble (briefly, well, 8 years)..
... and Roger Douglas.
Politics is ultimately circulat - and they were so far to the left of centre, they crossed over to the right.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
Is it fair to say Semour has pushed ACT left a bit in some ways? I know he came out as pro choice
ACT was after all started by a Labour guy (and a Nat).. and starred a Mr Richard Prebble (briefly, well, 8 years)..
... and Roger Douglas.
Politics is ultimately circulat - and they were so far to the left of centre, they crossed over to the right.
The labour guy /co-founder WAS Sir Roger Dougas (born in a state house, NZ's log cabin). If memory serves me correctly my old man told me he also played in the front row, like Winston Peters (that colossus of a man). But I don't imagine Sir Roger Douglas made many metres even if he charged for everything.
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Probably common knowledge but I find it ironic that my mate is carting shitloads of coal to Huntly Power Station from the Mount. This Coal coming from I think Australia and Indonesia. I hate to think of the carbon cost of digging up the coal, importing it via ship, trucking it long distance and then burning it. Doesn't really fit with the green image very well.
Any idea how govt plans to fix this?
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Interesting read in my opinion.
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