Super Rugby 2022
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An interesting story about who owns each of the 5 NZ franchises. The Chiefs, for example, have a complicated ownership structure. It's no wonder that the Hurricanes are so Wellington-centric as it appears that Manawatu and Hawke's Bay unions don't own any shares but H-K does.
HURRICANES
Wellington Rugby – 50 per cent
Horowhenua-Kapiti Rugby – 3 per cent
Paul Collins (Cohiba Traders) – 22 per cent
Liz Dawson (Forsyth Morison) – 12.5 per cent
Troy Bowker's 12.5 per cent share was sold last week, but the buyer is not yet known. -
Surprising new format for Super Rugby revealed
However damaged transtasman relations are, they have held up for long enough to enable administrators from New Zealand and Australia to agree a compromise deal on what Super Rugby will look like next year.
Agreement has been reached that all 12 teams in next year's competition will play each other once, with a further three round-robin fixtures to be randomly allocated, before eight teams feature in a traditional playoff format which will see number one on the ladder play number eight and so forth.
The mechanism to determine which three 'additional' opponents each team will play has not yet been determined.
The Herald understands that while Rugby Australia wanted these extra games to be domestic fixtures – Australian teams playing Australian teams and New Zealand teams playing New Zealand teams – that won't be the case.
Their request was not granted amid concerns that the competition would instantly lack integrity if there was a heavy weighting on local derbies – with New Zealand sides having argued in the past that this creates inequity and sets them a much harder path to reach the finals than their Australian rivals.
A formula is being developed based on how the transtasman table finished this year and the only certainty to date is that the two new teams, Moana Pasifika and Fiji Drua, will definitely play each other twice in 2022.
In practice this means the Blues, for example, will play every team in the competition once, with three other games – likely to comprise one fixture against a team that finished close to the top of the transtasman table, one against a mid-level finisher and one against a side that came near the bottom – split to ensure they host a total of seven home fixtures.
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I'm never a fan of structures with these random games, teams that have to play the crusaders or blues have a slightly harder road than those playing the tahs for example
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Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
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@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
Not perfect but better than ozzies getting an easy path. Key thing to me is no auromatic finals slots. NZR paying the lions share of Fiji and Pacific, I hope they trumpet this to the NH tossers out there, I think it's fair that ozzie get more money as they'll lose on gates with their non domestic games.
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@machpants said in Super Rugby 2022:
@bovidae said in Super Rugby 2022:
Someone should just come up with a system that you don't play the same 3 teams (as the extra games) in consecutive seasons and rotate opponents. The strength of teams could change from season to season so if there is a simple method that is transparent no one can complain.
Not perfect but better than ozzies getting an easy path. Key thing to me is no auromatic finals slots. NZR paying the lions share of Fiji and Pacific, I hope they trumpet this to the NH tossers out there, I think it's fair that ozzie get more money as they'll lose on gates with their non domestic games.
Much better than what RA was proposing,I can live with this format,It is fairer than guaranteed Semi Finals etc.
I can see the Crusaders and Blues playing each other twice in this RR format,Blues first and Crusaders finished 3rd in TT comp, sets that up in the extra 3 games format.
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@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
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@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
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@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
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@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
Well, as is the case with most of my posts this is tenuously based on any fact, just what I feel might be right.
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@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@mn5 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@canefan said in Super Rugby 2022:
@derpus said in Super Rugby 2022:
There is barely anything to like about this from an Aussie perspective. Fuck RA.
I honestly don't see what you hate so much about it. My recollection as a young kid (might be wrong, happy to be corrected) was that back in the late 70s early 80s we used used kick the shit out of the Wallabies routinely. I don't recall them ever having any national comp, just club rugby. The advent of the super rugby in all its forms (Super 6 or 10 or whatever it was) helped Australia to become a major world power in the game and you've won the RWC multiple times. I don't think you win those cups without transtasman rugby comps raising the level and ultimately bringing in money. What will Australia do if they go it alone? Rugby is the third code in Oz, it will always have a tough time growing (not to say they can't do better mind you). The last attempt at a national comp died a quick death didn't it? From where I'm sitting you need us as much as we all need each other
It’d be 4th behind Loigue, Aussie Rules and Soccer wouldn’t it ?
If you say so, yeah
Well, as is the case with most of my posts this is tenuously based on any fact, just what I feel might be right.
I was talking about rugby codes only but did not specify it
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id say soccer/football is ahead of rugby, just the fact greater melbourne can field three professional teams suggests so
lets not forget AFL has the VFL so there is another comp below attracting people on a saturday ave and finally Cricket is up there at the top, maybe not in direct competition for crowds but for sponsorship moneys etc
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I feel I should post something in defense of derpus, i get where he's coming from, being around a club in Melbourne for the first time this year, the aussie guys didn't know who was playing in SRTt finals, there was more interest in the club games...and this is from guys that literally bleed rugby every week...there is a huge disconnect between aussie rugby fans and the super game
most notably for me was our club games being played at the same time as the 5pm super games...rugby vic/ra literally making it impossible for rugby fans to watch super rugby games
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@canefan the last attempt at a national comp was a relative success from a player development perspective but it got tanked by SRU infighting and Rupert only a few years in.
There is plenty to hate the main one being nothing for us to celebrate and therefore be interested in. Who wants to watch a comp in which no one from your entire country has a realistic chance of winning?
They could have done anything - one chance in the last 30 years where they could have done something with a bit of vision and we just end up with more of the same.
Granted, i'm keen to see what Fiji can bring (though that was clearly an NZRU initiative).
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@kiwiwomble said in Super Rugby 2022:
I feel I should post something in defense of derpus, i get where he's coming from, being around a club in Melbourne for the first time this year, the aussie guys didn't know who was playing in SRTt finals, there was more interest in the club games...and this is from guys that literally bleed rugby every week...there is a huge disconnect between aussie rugby fans and the super game
most notably for me was our club games being played at the same time as the 5pm super games...rugby vic/ra literally making it impossible for rugby fans to watch super rugby games
That doesn't make any sense does it? Surely the comps could be organised to play on different days or different times? Melbourne is tough. My 10 year old nephew likes the Storm and the Wallabies. But he loves his footy team
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