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@broughie said in US Politics:
@frank I think there are several reasons. First, the goal posts keep getting moved. We were initially locked down to prevent overwhelming the health care system then it became about case numbers. Then further on it was if you get the vaccine then you’re golden now it means shit. Second, half of the country don’t trust the left. They like control at all costs where the right wants less government intrusion. Third, about half don’t trust the media and their incessant chicken little chatter and obvious bias towards the left. And the numbers are being revised down, not saying Covid is not significant, by about 20 percent. Fourth, we like to be able to make choices about our health and don’t believe our lives should be restricted because the poor choices of others. The people who are dying are elderly for the most part and have health conditions. Everyone knows the stats by now. We have a lot of unhealthy fat people over here. Let’s focus on these people and don’t restrict the healthy. This is not to shame them but fact. The ones that have it bad and are able to return home usually lost 30 to 50 pounds in the process and usually are still overweight, from my experience. Fifth, We don’t believe we have to walk around as if we are infected when we are not symptomatic. When will this concept end with the inevitable mutation of the virus in perpetuity. Sixth, their are consequences for our present policies related to the neglect of other health issues (recent article about spike in ovarian/uterine CA, teen suicides etc etc), economic issues etc. Never once has the left considered the collateral damage. Seventh, the lefts insistence that kids get vaccinated even though this virus is a nothing burger to them. Where is the science behind that? Why risk a vaccine which does have some negative side effects and has resulted in deaths. Eighth, why are the left pushing vaccination if you already have had the virus when studies are showing that natural immunity is probably better. Now that’s a shocker. Our immune system actually can function. Anyway that is part of my thinking and thinking of those with my point of view. I could go on but I think my take home message would be work on your health because this is the best protection against this virus.
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@frank said in US Politics:
Shit's getting serious in Afghanistan.
Afghanistan
Good riddance? Good god?
Both?
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@broughie said in US Politics:
@frank I think there are several reasons.
I could go on but I think my take home message would be work on your health because this is the best protection against this virus.This has been the biggest single failure of all governments.
But with so many politicians of all stripes involved with both the delivery of things that make you ill and the means to make you better it’s hardly surprising.
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@frank said in US Politics:
So it looks as if the Taliban will take control of Afghanistan.
Oh well.Not unexpected after Biden's withdrawal announcement. He seems to be continuing Obama's "Speak loudly about Women's and Gay rights but carry a big Surrender flag" policy.
With China and the Taliban becoming chummy, I wonder how long it will be until China starts building it's first military base there?
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@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@frank said in US Politics:
So it looks as if the Taliban will take control of Afghanistan.
Oh well.Not unexpected after Biden's withdrawal announcement. He seems to be continuing Obama's "Speak loudly about Women's and Gay rights but carry a big Surrender flag" policy.
With China and the Taliban becoming chummy, I wonder how long it will be until China starts building it's first military base there?
China are welcome to it
It’s like medieval tribesmen found a time machine, travelled to the future, and the only thing they brought back was automatic weapons and electronic bombs
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We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
It's poss. a bit different to the Great Game the European powers used to play.
I'd argue we weren't there to sort out the problem but contain it and stop it becoming another ISIL or Al Qaeda base. That's been thrown away by Biden and, to some extent, by Trump
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
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@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
It's poss. a bit different to the Great Game the European powers used to play.
I'd argue we weren't there to sort out the problem but contain it and stop it becoming another ISIL or Al Qaeda base. That's been thrown away by Biden and, to some extent, by Trump
Too much risk and not enough reward
Abort
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@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
It's poss. a bit different to the Great Game the European powers used to play.
I'd argue we weren't there to sort out the problem but contain it and stop it becoming another ISIL or Al Qaeda base. That's been thrown away by Biden and, to some extent, by Trump
More the lesson that it’s not that fucking easy, that fucking quick or that fucking lasting.
Generally speaking, it doesn’t fucking work.
I may have said fucking too many times.
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
It's poss. a bit different to the Great Game the European powers used to play.
I'd argue we weren't there to sort out the problem but contain it and stop it becoming another ISIL or Al Qaeda base. That's been thrown away by Biden and, to some extent, by Trump
More the lesson that it’s not that fucking easy, that fucking quick or that fucking lasting.
Generally speaking, it doesn’t fucking work.
I may have said fucking too many times.
Neither does turning a controlled withdrawal into a "let's run the fuck away".
(I only used "fuck" once)
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@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
It's poss. a bit different to the Great Game the European powers used to play.
I'd argue we weren't there to sort out the problem but contain it and stop it becoming another ISIL or Al Qaeda base. That's been thrown away by Biden and, to some extent, by Trump
More the lesson that it’s not that fucking easy, that fucking quick or that fucking lasting.
Generally speaking, it doesn’t fucking work.
I may have said fucking too many times.
Neither does turning a controlled withdrawal into a "let's run the fuck away".
(I only used "fuck" once)
C- Could do better
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@catogrande said in US Politics:
@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
@victor-meldrew said in US Politics:
@catogrande said in US Politics:
We've had over 150 years of trying to sort out the Afghanistan "problem". It seems like history is not high on the agenda of many governments worldwide.
It's poss. a bit different to the Great Game the European powers used to play.
I'd argue we weren't there to sort out the problem but contain it and stop it becoming another ISIL or Al Qaeda base. That's been thrown away by Biden and, to some extent, by Trump
More the lesson that it’s not that fucking easy, that fucking quick or that fucking lasting.
Generally speaking, it doesn’t fucking work.
I may have said fucking too many times.
Neither does turning a controlled withdrawal into a "let's run the fuck away".
(I only used "fuck" once)
C- Could do better
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@frank said in US Politics:
So it looks as if the Taliban will take control of Afghanistan.
Oh well.Entirely predictable. And something I've been saying from the outset.
The only surprising aspect of this is that "analysts" appear to be surprised at the rapidity of the government's fall.
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a new experience for me, met a bloke a few years ago, ex military. Up until now it had just been a minor conversation piece. a couple of time he'd talk about the "therapy" he'd do at a wildlife rescue place things like that.
Just saw a post on the socials where he posted about how gutting it is, after serving in afghanistan, to see it all going to shit again, how it feels like wasted effort and sacrifice, will be trying to catch up (virtually) for a beer
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@frank said in US Politics:
So it looks as if the Taliban will take control of Afghanistan.
Oh well.Entirely predictable. And something I've been saying from the outset.
The only surprising aspect of this is that "analysts" appear to be surprised at the rapidity of the government's fall.
Reminds me of the history of Vietnam. Trying to maintain government in a foreign land is really difficult if the majority of the population don't agree with that government. For right or wrong, it would appear that the Taliban are the government the Afghan people feel they deserve
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