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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
In 2019 India imported $2.28 million worth of goat and sheep meat, of which New Zealand supplied 70%
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
In 2019 India imported $2.28 million worth of goat and sheep meat, of which New Zealand supplied 70%
I was kidding but we need to keep them happy then.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Apart from wood, there's not much India would want from NZ. Certainly they aren't importing milk products like China.
Lumber was my first thought, but heaps of other food products than dairy or beef.
You can't have Rogan Josh without mutton or lamb (or goat).
In 2019 India imported $2.28 million worth of goat and sheep meat, of which New Zealand supplied 70%
I was kidding but we need to keep them happy then.
Our performance at Southampton probably didn't help with that
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.
This boggles my mind.
Hypothetically, if we had 100% vaccination today, surely we'd be in a position to relax border restrictions for vaccinated folk, maybe just have 3 day stand-downs, if not open completely.
What worries me, is if we couldn't oepn with full vaccinations, when are we going to reopen international travel? With full vaccination it's shifted the risk profile to 'a really bad flu' as I understand it, which shouldn't be enough reason to shut borders.
If you're right, and vaccination doesn't make a difference, then yep - no rush, just sit back and wait, because even getting vaccinated won't do anything.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.
This boggles my mind.
Hypothetically, if we had 100% vaccination today, surely we'd be in a position to relax border restrictions for vaccinated folk, maybe just have 3 day stand-downs, if not open completely.
What worries me, is if we couldn't oepn with full vaccinations, when are we going to reopen international travel? With full vaccination it's shifted the risk profile to 'a really bad flu' as I understand it, which shouldn't be enough reason to shut borders.
If you're right, and vaccination doesn't make a difference, then yep - no rush, just sit back and wait, because even getting vaccinated won't do anything.
I just think that there are still way too many unknowns out there. Vaccines are definitely the way to go and will hopefully provide the path to normalcy soon but considering the lack of data in variants etc we may be a few months away yet from declaring “come on in”.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
That explains the misunderstanding you caused 🙂
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
Great idea.
We could also ban thread divergence and posters that wade in without reading the thread above, but then maybe we'd have no forum. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
Great idea.
We could also ban thread divergence and posters that wade in without reading the thread above, but then maybe we'd have no forum.You having a bad day mate?
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
in fairness mate ive always understood "shifting goalposts" to be used when you change a target even though everything has gone as was planned leading up to it, the literal example being a perfect kick towards the posts and someone moves them so it doesn't go over
i think we could safely say the targets have moved because things HAVEN'T gone as planned, hotel quarantine being the obvious example
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
Great idea.
We could also ban thread divergence and posters that wade in without reading the thread above, but then maybe we'd have no forum.You having a bad day mate?
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@majorrage My comment relates to the length of time they have spent in lockdown rather than the severity.
They have spent months more in lockdowns than either Oz or NZ.
The reason they re changing their messaging IMO is because they sent out multipole press releases when they knocked NZ off the top spot in terms of pandemic response and then had to go into lockdown within days.
All very silly stuff. Singapore's done well but so has most of SE Asia (until recently anyway) and they have done so by severely restricting the local populations freedoms
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