Coronavirus - Overall
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.
This boggles my mind.
Hypothetically, if we had 100% vaccination today, surely we'd be in a position to relax border restrictions for vaccinated folk, maybe just have 3 day stand-downs, if not open completely.
What worries me, is if we couldn't oepn with full vaccinations, when are we going to reopen international travel? With full vaccination it's shifted the risk profile to 'a really bad flu' as I understand it, which shouldn't be enough reason to shut borders.
If you're right, and vaccination doesn't make a difference, then yep - no rush, just sit back and wait, because even getting vaccinated won't do anything.
I just think that there are still way too many unknowns out there. Vaccines are definitely the way to go and will hopefully provide the path to normalcy soon but considering the lack of data in variants etc we may be a few months away yet from declaring “come on in”.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
That explains the misunderstanding you caused 🙂
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
Great idea.
We could also ban thread divergence and posters that wade in without reading the thread above, but then maybe we'd have no forum. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
Great idea.
We could also ban thread divergence and posters that wade in without reading the thread above, but then maybe we'd have no forum.You having a bad day mate?
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
in fairness mate ive always understood "shifting goalposts" to be used when you change a target even though everything has gone as was planned leading up to it, the literal example being a perfect kick towards the posts and someone moves them so it doesn't go over
i think we could safely say the targets have moved because things HAVEN'T gone as planned, hotel quarantine being the obvious example
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@crucial none, sorry. It's all panning out just like they said it would at flatten the curve time.
There have been no other disappointments for anyone in the world since March 15 2020.
My bad.No must be my fault. I seemed to entirely miss the part where the crystal balls came out and promises were made on predictions.
UK day of freedom: June 21 to July 19
Lockdowns for the nhs, then deaths, then hospitalisations, then ICU then cases.
Vaccinations to stop lockdowns. Currently thousands of vaccinated Australians locked down
Zero cases is now grounds for restrictions in SA.Shifting goalposts is a common euphemism or metaphor for changing outcomes and measurements. If you want to pretend everything has been conducted in clear and consistent processes then go for it. Even your prediction models have shifted. Yes, you've missed quite a lot over the last 18 months.
And here we were having a nice conversation about the potential effects of the vaccine rollout in NZ…
We should probably have a nz thread then🙂
Great idea.
We could also ban thread divergence and posters that wade in without reading the thread above, but then maybe we'd have no forum.You having a bad day mate?
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@majorrage My comment relates to the length of time they have spent in lockdown rather than the severity.
They have spent months more in lockdowns than either Oz or NZ.
The reason they re changing their messaging IMO is because they sent out multipole press releases when they knocked NZ off the top spot in terms of pandemic response and then had to go into lockdown within days.
All very silly stuff. Singapore's done well but so has most of SE Asia (until recently anyway) and they have done so by severely restricting the local populations freedoms
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I know the information we see out of China can rarely be taken at face value.
But given the surge in cases in most of the world due to the Delta variant, China 'appears' to be continuing along with little impact, we know the DV is likely to have made it there.
Is it the people do as they are told, are used to social distancing and mask wearing making transmission harder, are they flat out lying about thier numbers (surely given we know this, media outlets would be able to provide insights?) or is thier vaccine more effective?
Was reading an article that claims China is the only country in the world where current air travel is higher than 2019, again, if this is the case how are they keeping Covid largely at bay?
The city of Ruili reported 12 Covid-19 cases on Saturday, health authorities said on Sunday, accounting for all of China’s new local infections that day and taking the number of active symptomatic cases in the province to 50.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I know the information we see out of China can rarely be taken at face value.
But given the surge in cases in most of the world due to the Delta variant, China 'appears' to be continuing along with little impact, we know the DV is likely to have made it there.
Is it the people do as they are told, are used to social distancing and mask wearing making transmission harder, are they flat out lying about thier numbers (surely given we know this, media outlets would be able to provide insights?) or is thier vaccine more effective?
Was reading an article that claims China is the only country in the world where current air travel is higher than 2019, again, if this is the case how are they keeping Covid largely at bay?
The city of Ruili reported 12 Covid-19 cases on Saturday, health authorities said on Sunday, accounting for all of China’s new local infections that day and taking the number of active symptomatic cases in the province to 50.
Can’t really comment on the lockdown side of things but a few years back talking to an Asian/pac fund manager about buying in China and he felt you could not trust the data or the corporate governance. Moreover everything and he really meant everything was geared towards the governmental goals.
So I’d say no, we can’t trust the PR coming out of the PRC.
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I was listening to an Economist podcast yesterday. They were interviewing a 'behavioural scientist' about vaccination rollouts / hesitancy etc, behaviour with restrictions / masks / lockdowns etc.
Host put it to her that behavioural science had been a bit of a failure during the pandemic.
Her response was that it was more a driven by public health experts than behavioural science - with one hot take I found very interesting. Vaccine hesitancy. In her opinion the vast majority of populations are in fact clamouring and quite desperate for a/the vaccine, yet the media story is driven by 10 to 15% of populations with vaccine hesitancy. She mentioned a behavioural science approach would be things like creating a vaccine lottery where lucky fews get to jump queues (I assume generating media content about the clamouring rather than the hesitancy), messaging that a vaccine is reserved for individuals - so a sense of decision that 'I am passing up on that vial and now someone else gets it' after x date / turning it down etc (my paraphrase)
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Can a few people post if they had any side effects (aches, fever, chills, tiredness) from the vaccine they took?
Or even say if they had no side effects at all.My school in Taiwan has organized for us to take Astra Zeneca in two days. (no Pfizer or Moderna available here for a few months). I will be taking it, but do admit to being a little unhappy about the (probability/possibility) of feeling under the weather for a few days. Just wondering about other people's experience.
Cheers.
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I’ve had both jabs of the AZN vaccine. No real side effects apart from the sore arm you sometimes get with being vaccinated. Many friends etc have also been double jabbed either with the AZN or Pfizer. Most have come through it unscathed, a few with some mild symptoms of feeling a bit under the weather and the odd one or two suffering flu like symptoms for a day or two at most.
In all honesty mate it is a no brainer. Take it.