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@taniwharugby agree - but we are also being drip-fed our vaccine supply aren't we? I thought we'd got a bunch secured but it's coming in lots rather than getting everything we need all at once? Once we start seeing group 4 underway I'll feel better, but that's end of July at the earliest as far as current info goes.
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the way i feel its gone,
the start it was very much about "flattening the curve", basically expecting lots of people to get it but to spread it out so health care wasn't over run...but then the actions taken to flatten the curve actually "eliminated" it, for certain lengths of time, and so the politicians thought, "fuck it" lets keep this approach up and until "everyone" is vaccinated
I never thought the "elimination strategy" was instead of vaccines
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@paekakboyz only 600k +/- have had the first dose, and about half of them the 2nd.
But they really need to pull finger and roll it out quicker, surely the sooner this happens, the less likely an outbreak is to happen.
I mean looking at the way things are, they are on a knife edge in Wellington right now, and given the time frames were working with, if a new case appears in wellington, it is highly likely to have spread elsewhere.
We can only vaccinate as fast as we get supplies. We are but an afterthought in the world scheme of things and are probably lucky that we are getting any when suppliers have client countries that spend way way more with them asking for it quickly as well.
I think one of the reasons we went with just Pfizer is to up the volume levels with one supplier tomake us more important to them.Getting us all vaccinated just reduces the need to do these short lockdowns to slow/stop spread. At level one we are pretty much at normal anyway except for travel/tourism and I can't see that freeing up until the risk levels from incoming travellers reduces.
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@crucial @Paekakboyz well of course, although I thought there had been previous narrative about it would be possible to have c 75% of NZ (3.75m) vaccinated before Christmas, it just seems slow thats all.
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The country's largest primary care organisation believes that with GPs now part of the Covid-19 vaccination programme, 70 per cent of the population could have the jab by Christmas. The Ministry revealed yesterday that it hopes between 50-thousand and 70-thousand people will be able to be vaccinated each day at health hubs, GP clinics and at Pharmacies when the programme is rolled out to the wider population in July. Our producer Matthew Theunissen spoke with Procare's medical director, Allan Moffitt, and began by asking whether GPs are ready to start vaccinating their patients.
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@mariner4life yeah well if Singapore has really pivoted its been a very recent thing as they are just emerging from a lockdown - except the government wouldn't allow anyone to call it a lockdown.
Singapore's response to COVID has been far more draconian than NZ's and I guess Oz's.
They still haven't opened up a travel bubble and have been in various levels of lockdown for months.
They are pretty advanced with their immunisation programme so I can't see what the story is. Once the local population is immunised every country is going to try and open up as quickly as possible - Australasia included. It sounds like a PR stunt by Singapore govt to me.
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@taniwharugby I thought that was still our goal? If not I guess that has slipped with both logistic and vaccine supply issues.
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@paekakboyz well hopefull yit is, I was just looking at the anticipated numbers of 50-70,000 per day getting vaccinated vs about 5,500 presently (39,000 for week ending 20/06) would be a massive escalation in the next few weeks to meet that.
Hopefully it happens, but I'm not confident.
edit - I will add the Health page seems all over the show with thier figures
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@taniwharugby I think the approach to have way more sites + people actively booking in will see things ramp up hugely. Whereas the first stages have been focused on folks with less mobility, ie aged care sites and clusters of folks working in high risk areas. I'd also expect things to get faster once they iron out issues as they go. Theoretical capability and targets meet the real world!
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@taniwharugby we have be3en doing around 25,000 per day. It may have dropped back as we are now using up our (small) stockpile
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BioNTech and Fosun are supposed to open a joint venture plant, in Shanghai in August, for producing 1B vaccine doses per annum.
There may be delays etc of course, but a new and very large supply chain would be nice.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life yeah well if Singapore has really pivoted its been a very recent thing as they are just emerging from a lockdown - except the government wouldn't allow anyone to call it a lockdown.
Singapore's response to COVID has been far more draconian than NZ's and I guess Oz's.
They still haven't opened up a travel bubble and have been in various levels of lockdown for months.
They are pretty advanced with their immunisation programme so I can't see what the story is. Once the local population is immunised every country is going to try and open up as quickly as possible - Australasia included. It sounds like a PR stunt by Singapore govt to me.
Not sure I agree with any of that. Singapore have been a bit more strict on certain things, but you'd expect that when the entire country is a city. I'd put them par with NZ / OZ, certainly not far more draconian.
The difference with Singapore is that they are a global hub, and so much of their economy is based on this. They need travel through Singapore desperately.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@paekakboyz only 600k +/- have had the first dose, and about half of them the 2nd.
But they really need to pull finger and roll it out quicker, surely the sooner this happens, the less likely an outbreak is to happen.
I mean looking at the way things are, they are on a knife edge in Wellington right now, and given the time frames were working with, if a new case appears in wellington, it is highly likely to have spread elsewhere.
We can only vaccinate as fast as we get supplies. We are but an afterthought in the world scheme of things and are probably lucky that we are getting any when suppliers have client countries that spend way way more with them asking for it quickly as well.
I think one of the reasons we went with just Pfizer is to up the volume levels with one supplier tomake us more important to them.Getting us all vaccinated just reduces the need to do these short lockdowns to slow/stop spread. At level one we are pretty much at normal anyway except for travel/tourism and I can't see that freeing up until the risk levels from incoming travellers reduces.
IF you put all your eggs in one basket though, something goes wrong with that basket you are stuck.
I don't necessarily think anything is going wrong with the NZ vaccination program that could be helped. YEs, it's far behind others, but lets face it - you don't have Covid, and those of that do that live in the wealthier countries, are under colossal pressure to distribute vaccines to developing / third world countries.
Given the above, you can see why NZ will struggle to get its' hands on vaccines. The easiest / most plentiful one about is the AZ, but lets face it, NZ has put itself on such a pedestal, its' far far too good for any of the shitty AZ stuff ....
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I just don't really understand the fixation some have on the speed of vax rollout in NZ.
As long as the program is done before borders are ready to open and we aren't waiting to let people in because we are behind then what's the issue?
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.
Maybe we would chance our arm a bit more with Oz but suggesting that we openly allow infected people through the border to test how well the vaccinations hold up is probably a step too far at this stage.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The easiest / most plentiful one about is the AZ, but lets face it, NZ has put itself on such a pedestal, its' far far too good for any of the shitty AZ stuff ....
Not sure that was the case. As has been mentioned they probably just wanted one supplier to get in a significant order. It's also the most difficult to manage so was likely more available. If we were actually being altruistic it is better that the easier ones go to places that aren't as well set up to deal with it. Don't think that was reason at the time though.
Sounds like it might have been all that we could get rather than any sort of snobbery.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I just don't really understand the fixation some have on the speed of vax rollout in NZ.
As long as the program is done before borders are ready to open and we aren't waiting to let people in because we are behind then what's the issue?
We could all be vaccinated today and it would make virtually no difference.Some thoughts top of mind:
- Vaccine passports become more than a just distant theoretical to ponder
- Even easier/less risk to reunify migrant families still split by the border
- Reduced chance again of it jumping the border
- Even less chance of it spreading if it jumps the border
On a personal level:
- Less concern about a family member with a pre-existing health issue from birth.
- Peace of mind/less worry about the small chance of me accidentally infecting rest home residents when I visit my Mum (yes, they are now vaccinated, but still plenty of frail ones of sound mind for whom a mild dose is still toast)
@crucial said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The most it would do is perhaps curtail the odd few days dip into L2
The hospitality industry would still appreciate that.
One concern at the moment is that the rest of the world opens up long before we're able to. Skills attraction and retention is the main labour market issue for NZ at the moment, and as it becomes increasingly easier to go elsewhere while still difficult to travel here, that will be further exacerbated. Somewhat ironically, it's a growing issue for the health sector at the moment.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - Overall:
The hospitality industry would still appreciate that.
I saw that Queenstown is asking Kiwis to visit so doing my bit and going tomorrow.
Was there in March and it was actually busy. Pubs, bars, restaurants all pretty full. Was strange actually talking to Kiwis, even stranger being waited on and served by Kiwis. In the past you'd be lucky to find someone that wasn't from overseas.
Be interesting to see what it's like with the Ski fields opening.
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