Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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Everyone who was fucking on about us 'coming out of the gate strong' should fuck off to bed.
Like you've never been a Blackcaps supporter.
The simple truth is that we are like an Oakland As Moneyball team - collectively over time we can do some good things, but when it counts in one game, we still have very few truly world class players who can and will handle the pressure.
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@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Everyone who was fucking on about us 'coming out of the gate strong' should fuck off to bed.
Like you've never been a Blackcaps supporter.
The simple truth is that we are like an Oakland As Moneyball team - collectively over time we can do some good things, but when it counts in one game, we still have very few truly world class players who can and will handle the pressure.
Completely disagree. The team is littered with world class players. We did enough to win the CWC which is the biggest stage of all, and bar one test series we've been consistently outstanding for a few years now.
Our innings right now is almost identical to India's. You just can't get in on this pitch no matter how long you are out there, so a collapse is always imminent. Like us, India have a world class attack so batting is really a battle of attrition and luck.
We're putting up a good fight, and the fact we are deep into the test with all 3 results possible shows how tight it is.
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@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Everyone who was fucking on about us 'coming out of the gate strong' should fuck off to bed.
Like you've never been a Blackcaps supporter.
The simple truth is that we are like an Oakland As Moneyball team - collectively over time we can do some good things, but when it counts in one game, we still have very few truly world class players who can and will handle the pressure.
Nah...
We bowled well and took almost all our chances. Our openers dug in, Kane is still there. Yes BJ looked old and Ross Taylor was as enigmatic as ever but I don't see any signs of the pressure getting to anyone.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Everyone who was fucking on about us 'coming out of the gate strong' should fuck off to bed.
Like you've never been a Blackcaps supporter.
The simple truth is that we are like an Oakland As Moneyball team - collectively over time we can do some good things, but when it counts in one game, we still have very few truly world class players who can and will handle the pressure.
Completely disagree. The team is littered with world class players. We did enough to win the CWC which is the biggest stage of all, and bar one test series we've been consistently outstanding for a few years now.
Our innings right now is almost identical to India's. You just can't get in on this pitch no matter how long you are out there, so a collapse is always imminent. Like us, India have a world class attack so batting is really a battle of attrition and luck.
We're putting up a good fight, and the fact we are deep into the test with all 3 results possible shows how tight it is.
Great, and agreed, but that was not the talk last night and this morning.
I'm specifically referring to the arrogance of thinking that we would run over this Indian team, who as you point out, also have an excellent attack.
I also don't think that we have consistent performers btw - the stats on Nicholl's with chances versus without have already pointed that out.
I'm so fucked off with the coaches for not strengthening the batting.
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7* in the session, I think, for the No. 1 batsman in the world.
Still 25 wickets standing in this test and five sessions to play - so a result needs an average of five wickets per session.
Given the batsmen we have left in this innings, there's a fair chance we will lose five in the next session, but hopefully we'll score more than 34 in doing so.
Then the Indian top order will have the rest of the day to negotiate.
To quote Little orphan Annie - the sun'll come out tomorrow....might not be quite as tough.
https://retro.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Southampton/hour_by_hour.html
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@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I'm specifically referring to the arrogance of thinking that we would run over this Indian team, who as you point out, also have an excellent attack.
We ran over them in low scoring tests 18 months ago. It's not crazy to think we could do it trailing by 100 with 8 wickets in hand.
That said I was very much of the mind that we should knock off the target or at least getting to 200 before upping the run rate at all.
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@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Everyone who was fucking on about us 'coming out of the gate strong' should fuck off to bed.
Like you've never been a Blackcaps supporter.
The simple truth is that we are like an Oakland As Moneyball team - collectively over time we can do some good things, but when it counts in one game, we still have very few truly world class players who can and will handle the pressure.
Completely disagree. The team is littered with world class players. We did enough to win the CWC which is the biggest stage of all, and bar one test series we've been consistently outstanding for a few years now.
Our innings right now is almost identical to India's. You just can't get in on this pitch no matter how long you are out there, so a collapse is always imminent. Like us, India have a world class attack so batting is really a battle of attrition and luck.
We're putting up a good fight, and the fact we are deep into the test with all 3 results possible shows how tight it is.
Great, and agreed, but that was not the talk last night and this morning.
I'm specifically referring to the arrogance of thinking that we would run over this Indian team, who as you point out, also have an excellent attack.
I also don't think that we have consistent performers btw - the stats on Nicholl's with chances versus without have already pointed that out.
I'm so fucked off with the coaches for not strengthening the batting.
The CDG decision is the key. I though he would be better with the ball but don’t trust his batting. Still roll the dice…maybe good to have one player who hits through the line and rides his luck. If he fiddles around I don’t think he has the technique on this pitch.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
7* in the session, I think, for the No. 1 batsman in the world.
Still 25 wickets standing in this test and five sessions to play - so a result needs an average of five wickets per session.
Given the batsmen we have left in this innings, there's a fair chance we will lose five in the next session, but hopefully we'll score more than 34 in doing so.
Then the Indian top order will have the rest of the day to negotiate.
To quote Little orphan Annie - the sun'll come out tomorrow....might not be quite as tough.
https://retro.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Southampton/hour_by_hour.html
Yep, the silver lining of being bowled out today is India will have to bat when the ball is doing plenty. If Kohli and Kane are struggling, and I mean genuinely struggling to score runs despite getting set, then that's a pretty fair indicator that conditions are extremely difficult.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
7* in the session, I think, for the No. 1 batsman in the world.
Still 25 wickets standing in this test and five sessions to play - so a result needs an average of five wickets per session.
Given the batsmen we have left in this innings, there's a fair chance we will lose five in the next session, but hopefully we'll score more than 34 in doing so.
Then the Indian top order will have the rest of the day to negotiate.
To quote Little orphan Annie - the sun'll come out tomorrow....might not be quite as tough.
https://retro.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/Southampton/hour_by_hour.html
Yep, the silver lining of being bowled out today is India will have to bat when the ball is doing plenty. If Kohli and Kane are struggling, and I mean genuinely struggling to score runs despite getting set, then that's a pretty fair indicator that conditions are extremely difficult.
Kohli and Rahane showed that there was something there for the batsmen, however the conditions are somewhat changing.
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@kev said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@gt12 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Everyone who was fucking on about us 'coming out of the gate strong' should fuck off to bed.
Like you've never been a Blackcaps supporter.
The simple truth is that we are like an Oakland As Moneyball team - collectively over time we can do some good things, but when it counts in one game, we still have very few truly world class players who can and will handle the pressure.
Completely disagree. The team is littered with world class players. We did enough to win the CWC which is the biggest stage of all, and bar one test series we've been consistently outstanding for a few years now.
Our innings right now is almost identical to India's. You just can't get in on this pitch no matter how long you are out there, so a collapse is always imminent. Like us, India have a world class attack so batting is really a battle of attrition and luck.
We're putting up a good fight, and the fact we are deep into the test with all 3 results possible shows how tight it is.
Great, and agreed, but that was not the talk last night and this morning.
I'm specifically referring to the arrogance of thinking that we would run over this Indian team, who as you point out, also have an excellent attack.
I also don't think that we have consistent performers btw - the stats on Nicholl's with chances versus without have already pointed that out.
I'm so fucked off with the coaches for not strengthening the batting.
The CDG decision is the key. I though he would be better with the ball but don’t trust his batting. Still roll the dice…maybe good to have one player who hits through the line and rides his luck. If he fiddles around I don’t think he has the technique on this pitch.
A few decisions for India, as well.
With the new ball just 8 overs away, do they continue with the seamers immediately after lunch or give the spinners a short crack?
They've bowled 23 overs between them - will be 31 by the time the new ball gets here - if they take it.
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That was worth a review I thought, but probably umpires call at worst for impact
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CdG gone. Shami is bowling with excellent discipline.
