AFL 2021
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@antipodean I disagree on both counts. They only support a team because they are footy fans and want some skin in the game. They'd flock to get behind a local team IMO.
And I think they'd share games between the two locations, and I think any intra-state rivalry would be trumped by their rivalry with Victoria and the mainland in general.
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and i am somewhere between the two of you
I work with a couple of tasmanians (living in Vic) and they were both the same, they would always support their current team (both Geelong) but they would 100% get behind a Tassie team and they think their families back in Tassie would do the same, kids i tink would all change to the local team
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@barbarian said in AFL 2021:
@antipodean I disagree on both counts. They only support a team because they are footy fans and want some skin in the game. They'd flock to get behind a local team IMO.
And I think they'd share games between the two locations, and I think any intra-state rivalry would be trumped by their rivalry with Victoria and the mainland in general.
Like all those Port fans who support the Crows?
My best friend's immediate family supports three teams and not one of them would change to another.
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@antipodean The Port analogy is not the same though, that's a footy rivalry that dates back a long way. There's no such rivalry on the island between the two cities.
I've got family down there who would definitely get behind a local team. They are Bombers fans, but at very least they will support both rather than reject the local side.
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@barbarian said in AFL 2021:
@antipodean The Port analogy is not the same though, that's a footy rivalry that dates back a long way. There's no such rivalry on the island between the two cities.
Every Tasmanian I know says otherwise. As a Tasmania said to me when I mentioned I was going back to the Tamar Valley, he said I'd have been to Launceston more times than most people from Hobart. I'm also struggling to think of successful teams that continuously move their home games to appease a disparate fan base.
Everyone says they'd support it, the same way they "support" a lot of things but actually expect they're giving voice to the majority opinion.
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@antipodean Ok we'll have to agree to disagree. I find the concept that a local Tassie side wouldn't get sufficient local support to fill their (relatively small) grounds to be completely bizarre.
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romantically Tassie should get a side, it's a footy state.
but
these decisions are not romantic, they are commercial. Are the AFL going to get more money from a Tassie team than they get from hawks and North games in Tassie? Is it a growth market? How high is the commercial ceiling? What corporate partners exist to get on board? Will a Tassie team get more kids playing AFL?
Also, how does an 19th team change the broadcasting landscape?
The Suns kick nearly all of these goals for the AFL across an entire state. I have said before, i live 2,000kms from Suns headquarters. and yet they are doing the heavy lifting up here developing young AFL players. GWS in Western Sydney will be doing the same thing. These are good long-term investments for AFL House. Can Tassie say the same thing?
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@mariner4life And that's the heart of this whole debate. It's so interesting, because it cuts right to the heart of what sport is in 2021.
Tassie is a no-brainer from a passion standpoint. Slightly more questionable from a talent standpoint, but if money was no object they'd have a team tomorrow. BUT despite the AFL raking in billions of dollars every year, money is still a massive part of their decision making process.
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Tassie should have a side, agreed. But commercially is it viable? Does it add to the AFL? Developmentally, the kids play Aussie Rules there anyway and move to the mainland if they're good enough so nothing to be gained there. Does a Tasmanian side draw crowds in other states? I'd say probably in the traditional football states but not NSW and QLD where the best crowds come out to see their team play the clubs with more history.
And then, the biggest question for me is, would the AFL be more likely to grant a licence to a Greenfields club ala Adelaide, or a local team looking to expand ala Port? -
I lived in hobart in 1989, used to watch Clarence and went to a match between tassie and Victoria and back then there was talk and willingness for tassie to have a vfl team. At that time the swans and Brisbane bears were in the vfl and were absolutely pants. Got hammered week in week out if I recall. Tassie was a ridgy didge footy state.
You guys have it right. The willingness for Tasmanians to have a team in the national comp has never wavered for 30 years that i know of but the AFL won't make it happen surely for financial and ROI reasons.
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And to top a great day the Lions pump the Cats.
Geelong are a dirty whinging side. Nice to flog them
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We’re back!
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@act-crusader said in AFL 2021:
We’re back!
They played well, helped by Richmond being absolutely awful. King kicking a couple of tough ones early was good for his confidence
Tigers need a massive reversal for a run at the flag now.
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I've only seen extended highlights on top of score updates last night but Essendon challenged the Dees for most of their game last night it seems. At one stage the Dees were 1 and 6 so maybe we could have blitzed them early and missed a trick, or maybe they were all tough kicks?
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Dews job in jeopardy now surely
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
Dews job in jeopardy now surely
Aaaand then they beat the Tigers in Melbourne
Who would be a coach?
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
Dews job in jeopardy now surely
Aaaand then they beat the Tigers in Melbourne
Who would be a coach?
They play a good style the Suns, but it’s high risk too. They were getting through the middle with some regularity.
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@act-crusader said in AFL 2021:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
Dews job in jeopardy now surely
Aaaand then they beat the Tigers in Melbourne
Who would be a coach?
They play a good style the Suns, but it’s high risk too. They were getting through the middle with some regularity.
yeah, if he can get those guys to ignore the scoreboard and stick to the plan they could real dangerous real fast.
Interesting people saying this loss ended Richmond's flag tilt. Not sure it's quite that drastic. i still expect them to sneak in to the 8. And then it's the same equation as it was 2 weeks ago. Win 4 finals. Probably all played at the MCG. Sure, it will take a significant form reversal, but they aren't dead yet.
Was Mrs Hardwick the real brains of the operation?
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@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
@act-crusader said in AFL 2021:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
@mariner4life said in AFL 2021:
Dews job in jeopardy now surely
Aaaand then they beat the Tigers in Melbourne
Who would be a coach?
They play a good style the Suns, but it’s high risk too. They were getting through the middle with some regularity.
yeah, if he can get those guys to ignore the scoreboard and stick to the plan they could real dangerous real fast.
Interesting people saying this loss ended Richmond's flag tilt. Not sure it's quite that drastic. i still expect them to sneak in to the 8. And then it's the same equation as it was 2 weeks ago. Win 4 finals. Probably all played at the MCG. Sure, it will take a significant form reversal, but they aren't dead yet.
Injuries ruin any title run. Best Richmond can hope for here is to ruin other team's hopes.
Was Mrs Hardwick the real brains of the operation?
LOL
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Got the TB on the AFL as going out and avoiding the ABs until I get home.
Am astonished at the crowd or lack thereof for the Crows IN Adwlaide, although on reflection I shouldn't be.
Whilst they're playing crap they usually get a decent crowd.
This would have to be the smallest home crowd I've ever seen for them.
