Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Some interesting stuff looking at that allrounders list.
Only 16 players (1000/100) have a positive difference batt/bowl AND average over 30 with the bat.
Also only 16 average under 30 with the ball.> Only 11 players fit the so called benchmark of 30+/ -30
Off the top of my head….
My boy Cairnsy, Beefy, Imran, Shaun Pollock, Sobers, jadeja, Holder, Kapil Dev…….
Tell me the rest.
Not Sobers (only 34 with the ball)
Miller, Goddard, Noble, Rhodes
Some bloody great players on that list.
….and ( according to the fern at least ) Chris Cairns sneaks in as well
Goes to show that the 30/30 standard is a pretty high bar though. Even 27/30 or 30/33 only captures a handful more.
Some have periods where the averages are amazing, Botham at his peak had a bowling average under 20 and batting around 40. Think that’s was around 20 tests in.
Khan was one who got better, his batting average for his last few years was around 50 ( not overall just that period) -
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
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@stockcar86 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
That's it, we're doomed.
Makes 2004 journos seem shy and bashful.
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India will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get stuck into us, they are a world class side with no obvious weaknesses. Their captain is also an absolute gun that does not take a backward step, hence them doing the Aussies in their own back yard. We have an amazing team but we are up against it here.
If both teams play to their potential it will be an absolute cracker. If we are even slightly off our game it could end in disaster very quickly.
Ashwin and Jadeja scare the shit out of me.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
India will be absolutely chomping at the bit to get stuck into us, they are a world class side with no obvious weaknesses. Their captain is also an absolute gun that does not take a backward step, hence them doing the Aussies in their own back yard. We have an amazing team but we are up against it here.
If both teams play to their potential it will be an absolute cracker. If we are even slightly off our game it could end in disaster very quickly.
Ashwin and Jadeja scare the shit out of me.
Basically we are the underdogs 😉
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Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
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@scribe said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
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@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
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@scribe said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Forecast still looking absolute pants:
Fri - no play
Sat - full day (lucky for me , I’m there)
Sun - 1 session possibly?
Mon - 2 sessions possibly?
Tue - 1 session?
Wed - full dayI guess 3 days and 1 session is still within the realms of getting a result. Either way.
Ahh Tits!!
About the only vulnerability the great sport of test cricket has☹
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
14 centuries from your best bowler versus 6?
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@siam said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@virgil said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Hard not to go past Beefy as one of the few true best ever Allrounders.
Even though he fell away his test record is incredible.102 Tests
14 Test 100's (to put that into context only 3 black cap batsmen have score more)
33.54 Average383 Test wickets
28.40 Average, which is almost identical to Southee's
27 5wi hauls
4 10wm haulsA 100 and 5 wickets in an innings 5 times.
Vs India in 1980 he scored 114 and took 6/58 & 7/48
For good measure he took 120 catches as well.
Also according to Martin Crowe's time playing alongside him at Somerset in the 80's, a night on the piss and coming home at 6am didnt effect his performances either.
I loved Beefy but he should have retired about 50 tests before he did. Imran was a better All Rounder because his standards never slipped.
14 centuries from your best bowler versus 6?
37/22 is better than 33/28….and as I said I loved Beefy but Imran was better.
In between Beefys tons there were some massive troughs. Hadlee was ruthless about late career Beefys bowling in his book which I thought was a bit harsh but possibly accurate.
If I had to choose who to have a beer and yarn with it’s no comparison ( I’ve actually met Beefy and he was an awesome bloke ), highlights of that 1981 Ashes series where he tore shit up were amazing……but history will judge Imran as the better player.
Imran was possibly a smidgeon below Hadlee as a bowler but a considerably better batsman. The guy was a freak.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 At home he averaged 45 with the bat and 19 with the ball.
Away 33 with the bat 25 with the ball.
If only he could have taken his umpires with him...
Still bloody good stats, not as skewed as others.
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Also, in the 80s, the allrounders usually weren't wicketkeeper-batsmen, and it's very rare to have a top class keeper-batsman and the more standard allrounders who bat and bowl at a high level at the same time.
It would be nice if CDG had a better bowling record but he is also backing up NZ's greatest trio ever. He mainly bowls first change apparently, and his average at 1st change is pretty solid comparatively - better than Wagner who is actually much better at 2nd change than 1st change.
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@godder said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Also, in the 80s, the allrounders usually weren't wicketkeeper-batsmen, and it's very rare to have a top class keeper-batsman and the more standard allrounders who bat and bowl at a high level at the same time.
It would be nice if CDG had a better bowling record but he is also backing up NZ's greatest trio ever. He mainly bowls first change apparently, and his average at 1st change is pretty solid comparatively - better than Wagner who is actually much better at 2nd change than 1st change.
How does he do in home tests vs overseas?
