Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
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@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
Yeah I think at one stage Alastair Cook had played about twice as many tests as Ross Taylor despite them debuting around the same time and being about the same age ?
The lack of respect shits me too. How good would a five test series be against this English team ?
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@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
Yep, lots of comments out there from people questioning why we are in the WTC final and why are we #1.
We just beat England at home while resting half the team and clearly having our eye on a bigger prize next week.2 ODI World Cup finals and a WTC final all in the space of 6 glorious years.
Yep we have been thumped along the way (in Oz a couple years ago) but so has everyone else at some point. -
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
You should try getting a Ranfurly Shield challenge!!!
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
You should try getting a Ranfurly Shield challenge!!!
I think we get about one a decade!
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@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
You should try getting a Ranfurly Shield challenge!!!
I think we get about one a decade!
You'll get less if you ever become every shade of awesome!!!
That post of M4L's encapsulates everything that fucks me off about the
Unfairly Shield.We'll probably get a challenge this year, when half our team is propping up the All Blacks!
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@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
You should try getting a Ranfurly Shield challenge!!!
I think we get about one a decade!
Most of our Shield Games are defenses!
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@crucial Jamieson is absolutely locked in in my mind.
The only decision is whether we need to play a spinner or not.
In all honesty, I'm inclined to take the Clive Lloyd route and just say, "Why?" Play our four seamers and Mitch Jr. or CdG and damn the torpedos. It gives us our strongest batting line-up and we should not forget that a draw allows us a share of the title.
But, I think it's likely that Stead will want one - and I think that means going your oddball route and 4 quicks and a spinner, with Santner batting 7. The batting is light that way, which heaps additional pressure on the top order.
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
You'd think that a specialist seamer would be more likely to also make a good spinner compared to a batsman - but, none of them seem to bother. And I've never seen anyone in the nets at club cricket who didn't fuck around a bit bowling (or trying to bowl) a bit of spin.
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@higgins said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
you know what is going to fuck me off?
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
By the time other countries wise up (if that ever happens) this generation of players will have moved on, we won't be as good, results will fall, and we will get shunted back from any better fixtures we might have been able to access.
While these times are all sorts of awesome, the lack of recognition irks me.
You should try getting a Ranfurly Shield challenge!!!
I think we get about one a decade!
Most of our Shield Games are defenses!
@Chris-B you guys have the most potential challenges this year.
Some teams have only one potential challenge that comes about when a pig flys over the protestant Pope's house.
It's like someone doing the draw is sick of hearing the whiny noises from the top of the south.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial Jamieson is absolutely locked in in my mind.
The only decision is whether we need to play a spinner or not.
In all honesty, I'm inclined to take the Clive Lloyd route and just say, "Why?" Play our four seamers and Mitch Jr. or CdG and damn the torpedos. It gives us our strongest batting line-up and we should not forget that a draw allows us a share of the title.
But, I think it's likely that Stead will want one - and I think that means going your oddball route and 4 quicks and a spinner, with Santner batting 7. The batting is light that way, which heaps additional pressure on the top order.
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
You'd think that a specialist seamer would be more likely to also make a good spinner compared to a batsman - but, none of them seem to bother. And I've never seen anyone in the nets at club cricket who didn't fuck around a bit bowling (or trying to bowl) a bit of spin.
You are probably right. I just think it is crazy to shorten the batting simply to create a place for a guy that doesn't take wickets or tie up one end.
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@crucial The probability of most of our paths is fucking low though.
If anyone halfway competent was running the competition, the Mako should have just been given a challenge in week 1.
But, there's a bunch of ex-fucking rugby players running things, who's brains don't appear to go past "going through our processes and the outcome will work out".
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial Jamieson is absolutely locked in in my mind.
The only decision is whether we need to play a spinner or not.
In all honesty, I'm inclined to take the Clive Lloyd route and just say, "Why?" Play our four seamers and Mitch Jr. or CdG and damn the torpedos. It gives us our strongest batting line-up and we should not forget that a draw allows us a share of the title.
But, I think it's likely that Stead will want one - and I think that means going your oddball route and 4 quicks and a spinner, with Santner batting 7. The batting is light that way, which heaps additional pressure on the top order.
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
You'd think that a specialist seamer would be more likely to also make a good spinner compared to a batsman - but, none of them seem to bother. And I've never seen anyone in the nets at club cricket who didn't fuck around a bit bowling (or trying to bowl) a bit of spin.
If we want spin down the line then I reckon take the captaincy off KW ( less pressure ) give it to Latham and get our premier batsman to send down a few overs, he’s actually pretty decent.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Collin Miller is the last one I can think of. Not Sober's league of course, but he did far too well against us...
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial Jamieson is absolutely locked in in my mind.
The only decision is whether we need to play a spinner or not.
In all honesty, I'm inclined to take the Clive Lloyd route and just say, "Why?" Play our four seamers and Mitch Jr. or CdG and damn the torpedos. It gives us our strongest batting line-up and we should not forget that a draw allows us a share of the title.
But, I think it's likely that Stead will want one - and I think that means going your oddball route and 4 quicks and a spinner, with Santner batting 7. The batting is light that way, which heaps additional pressure on the top order.
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
You'd think that a specialist seamer would be more likely to also make a good spinner compared to a batsman - but, none of them seem to bother. And I've never seen anyone in the nets at club cricket who didn't fuck around a bit bowling (or trying to bowl) a bit of spin.
If we want spin down the line then I reckon take the captaincy off KW ( less pressure ) give it to Latham and get our premier batsman to send down a few overs, he’s actually pretty decent.
His action is probably what screwed his elbow.
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@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Colin Miller is probably the closest we've seen.
Shane Thompson transitioned from seam to spin and was not as good. Around 2003-4ish Scott Styris was semi-seriously trying to develop his offspin to become a second spinning option but I don't think we saw it at international level.
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@crucial said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@crucial Jamieson is absolutely locked in in my mind.
The only decision is whether we need to play a spinner or not.
In all honesty, I'm inclined to take the Clive Lloyd route and just say, "Why?" Play our four seamers and Mitch Jr. or CdG and damn the torpedos. It gives us our strongest batting line-up and we should not forget that a draw allows us a share of the title.
But, I think it's likely that Stead will want one - and I think that means going your oddball route and 4 quicks and a spinner, with Santner batting 7. The batting is light that way, which heaps additional pressure on the top order.
Throwing out a wild idea - how come more (any) fast bowlers don't also teach themselves to bowl spin? There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
You'd think that a specialist seamer would be more likely to also make a good spinner compared to a batsman - but, none of them seem to bother. And I've never seen anyone in the nets at club cricket who didn't fuck around a bit bowling (or trying to bowl) a bit of spin.
If we want spin down the line then I reckon take the captaincy off KW ( less pressure ) give it to Latham and get our premier batsman to send down a few overs, he’s actually pretty decent.
His action is probably what screwed his elbow.
Yeah - I don't think we'll see Kane bowling in final, unless it's right at the death and in desperation - and not much ever again.
But, imagine if Matt Henry could bowl spin as well as Little Kane. He'd be right in the mix. de Grandhomme would be locked in.
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I have a memory of Hadlee bowling left arm spin in a test once. Anyone else remember that? Or have imagined it?
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@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@chris-b said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
There's heaps of specialist batsman who seem to be able to roll down a few overs of spin in international cricket, but I can't really recall anyone since Gary Sobers who bowled specialist seam and spin (and Sir Garfield bowled both offspin and legspin as required - as well as being a sensational batsman).
Collin Miller is the last one I can think of. Not Sober's league of course, but he did far too well against us...
I know funk pretty well. A good bloke with time for everyone, well obviously 😉.
We all saw him play but he was actually awarded Australian test player of the year in 2001 when they were easily the best in the world so he did pretty well against most🙂.
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There was a Pakistani quick whose name I forget but went the other way - an offie who started bowling seam. He bowled a few overs of spin in a test though. Probably about 10-15 years ago.
Ravindra could be another contender for all-rounder. Especially if he wants to break in to the side now that Young and Conway look to have locked up the top order spots even after Taylor retires, he could try and make it as a number 6 who gives us a spin option.
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@mariner4life said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Despite all our "recent" success (it's actually like 6-7 years of sustained high performance) there is still no respect on our name.
We get shit tour schedules, 2 test series, and shoved to the outsides of domestic summers by asshole teams we are actually better than, but are clinging to history, or the fact there are a billion of them, and they have nothing else in their lives.
We got the tour of Australia which isn't nothing. This tour has planned on the fly, they are due to schedule England again next year for a three test series.
Getting good tests during the holiday season is hard because SA/Aus clash, England can't because of their CBA and good luck getting India to do anything... so its' a steady diet of Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and the Windies.
If we had performed in Australia and won then I think we would have a lot more respect in India/England.
