Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
they’re actually doing the very opposite of what they intended.
For sure. Certainly not getting more sports fans on board I wouldn't think. As I said earlier, I can't even be bothered reading about it. Don't know why anyone would. Just turns me right off but it sounds like everybody is having a crack from what you lot are saying.
Anyway I am looking forward to some actual cricket tonight and all the other bullshit can, hopefully, go away.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
they’re actually doing the very opposite of what they intended.
For sure. Certainly not getting more sports fans on board I wouldn't think. As I said earlier, I can't even be bothered reading about it. Don't know why anyone would. Just turns me right off but it sounds like everybody is having a crack from you lot are saying.
Anyway I am looking forward to some actual cricket tonight and all the other bullshit can, hopefully, go away.
Good point, let’s get back on topic.
As brilliant as we are as a team KW not being there leaves a pretty big hole. Does Young slot straight in at three or does he open and Conway go there ? I’d be extremely loath to do this given his debut performance but that might be the way they go.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
they’re actually doing the very opposite of what they intended.
For sure. Certainly not getting more sports fans on board I wouldn't think. As I said earlier, I can't even be bothered reading about it. Don't know why anyone would. Just turns me right off but it sounds like everybody is having a crack from you lot are saying.
Anyway I am looking forward to some actual cricket tonight and all the other bullshit can, hopefully, go away.
Good point, let’s get back on topic.
As brilliant as we are as a team KW not being there leaves a pretty big hole. Does Young slot straight in at three or does he open and Conway go there ? I’d be extremely loath to do this given his debut performance but that might be the way they go.
I'd leave Conway. He made a pretty bloody good job of it. Latham is generally sound. Hopefully they can see off the new ball before Young gets thrown in.
Kane being out is a bit shit but we should have Trent I believe. Hardly apples for apples, but a least a bit of a gain. The batting might look a bit thin overall though. Does this pitch traditionally turn? I didn't think so...
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
they’re actually doing the very opposite of what they intended.
For sure. Certainly not getting more sports fans on board I wouldn't think. As I said earlier, I can't even be bothered reading about it. Don't know why anyone would. Just turns me right off but it sounds like everybody is having a crack from you lot are saying.
Anyway I am looking forward to some actual cricket tonight and all the other bullshit can, hopefully, go away.
Good point, let’s get back on topic.
As brilliant as we are as a team KW not being there leaves a pretty big hole. Does Young slot straight in at three or does he open and Conway go there ? I’d be extremely loath to do this given his debut performance but that might be the way they go.
I'd leave Conway. He made a pretty bloody good job of it. Latham is generally sound. Hopefully they can see off the new ball before Young gets thrown in.
Kane being out is a bit shit but we should have Trent I believe. Hardly apples for apples, but a least a bit of a gain. The batting might look a bit thin overall though. Does this pitch traditionally turn? I didn't think so...
Trent has regressed a bit lately, luckily Southee has improved during the same period so I don’t think it’s too much of an issue.
I’d go with our bloody decent quartet of pacemen personally. Fuck having a spinner.
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@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I’d go with our bloody decent quartet of pacemen personally. Fuck having a spinner.
Likewise. So does CDG get another go? I would, but Mitchel seems pretty capable and more likely to hold up and end with the bat.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@mn5 said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I’d go with our bloody decent quartet of pacemen personally. Fuck having a spinner.
Likewise. So does CDG get another go? I would, but Mitchel seems pretty capable and more likely to hold up and end with the bat.
Mitchell for me. CDG didn't show enough in his first game back after injury. But if he tears it up at Edgbaston he may clip his ticket
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@canefan Tough choice. CDG did well with the ball. Sort of spinners role and gives the other guys a break if he dries up the runs. Not sure Mitchel can do that.
Conversely CDG is great if we want quick runs but Mitchel has far more chance of survival if we need to dig in and that batting lineup does look a bit frail with out Kane, Rossco is a bit out of touch, Young being a newbie. That sort of thing. This is all relative of course because they have been so good.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@canefan Tough choice. CDG did well with the ball. Sort of spinners role and gives the other guys a break if he dries up the runs. Not sure Mitchel can do that.
Conversely CDG is great if we want quick runs but Mitchel has far more chance of survival if we need to dig in and that batting lineup does look a bit frail with out Kane, Rossco is a bit out of touch, Young being a newbie. That sort of thing. This is all relative of course because they have been so good.
Yeah not easy. The English comms like the cut of Colin's gib. They reckon he is not disimilar to the sort of bowlers that top the County Cricket stats. And I just don't see Mitch spinning the Indians out on a day 5 pitch
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I’d probably go CDGH given we have Watling as the “dig in” guy if needed ( no pressure BJ ).
Possibly harsh on Johns son but that’s how decent the Black Caps are. No room for passengers. I’m not convinced he’s anything more than a batsman who can bowl a bit, kind of a latter day Astle or Styris. We’ve moved on. Neither of those guys would get selected in this current team ( Go on, fight me )
It’ll be interesting to see how Young goes given its fair to say Conway made a better fist of his debut that he did.
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This is what Stuff thinks. As I said above, CdG is likely to be spelled after a long time off with injury and a short turn-around between tests.
Black Caps (likely): Tom Latham (captain), Devon Conway, Will Young, Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Daryl Mitchell, Kyle Jamieson/Tim Southee/Matt Henry, Neil Wagner, Ajaz Patel, Trent Boult.
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@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
This is what Stuff thinks. As I said above, CdG is likely to be spelled after a long time off with injury and a short turn-around between tests.
Black Caps (likely): Tom Latham (captain), Devon Conway, Will Young, Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Daryl Mitchell, Kyle Jamieson/Tim Southee/Matt Henry, Neil Wagner, Ajaz Patel, Trent Boult.
Hopefully Ajaz gets a 5 for to show what a real spinner could do
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@canefan said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
This is what Stuff thinks. As I said above, CdG is likely to be spelled after a long time off with injury and a short turn-around between tests.
Black Caps (likely): Tom Latham (captain), Devon Conway, Will Young, Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Daryl Mitchell, Kyle Jamieson/Tim Southee/Matt Henry, Neil Wagner, Ajaz Patel, Trent Boult.
Hopefully Ajaz gets a 5 for to show what a real spinner could do
If he does I’d be thrilled but then given we’re not going to go into a big test without our four main pace bowlers then that automatically lengthens the tail given Jamieson would bat seven, fern fall guy ( when it comes to batting ) Southee at eight and so on.
Patel doesn’t seem much of a batsman…….but then again ( insert any other NZ spinner here ) doesn’t seem much of a spinner so you have to sacrifice something I guess.
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@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
This is what Stuff thinks. As I said above, CdG is likely to be spelled after a long time off with injury and a short turn-around between tests.
Black Caps (likely): Tom Latham (captain), Devon Conway, Will Young, Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Daryl Mitchell, Kyle Jamieson/Tim Southee/Matt Henry, Neil Wagner, Ajaz Patel, Trent Boult.
I would have thought that a player with a long time off with injury would need the match time? Maybe he still has a niggle.
As for the other / bowlers. I reckon Jamieson gets the nod. One more game for match experience and we will want him for the final. Southee knows what he is doing so a break may not be a bad thing. Henry is a good player but hopefully not needed for WTC as the others are better.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
This is what Stuff thinks. As I said above, CdG is likely to be spelled after a long time off with injury and a short turn-around between tests.
Black Caps (likely): Tom Latham (captain), Devon Conway, Will Young, Ross Taylor, Henry Nicholls, BJ Watling, Daryl Mitchell, Kyle Jamieson/Tim Southee/Matt Henry, Neil Wagner, Ajaz Patel, Trent Boult.
I would have thought that a player with a long time off with injury would need the match time? Maybe he still has a niggle.
As for the other / bowlers. I reckon Jamieson gets the nod. One more game for match experience and we will want him for the final. Southee knows what he is doing so a break may not be a bad thing. Henry is a good player but hopefully not needed for WTC as the others are better.
Yep, needs more time in English conditions to acquaint himself.
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@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I would have thought that a player with a long time off with injury would need the match time? Maybe he still has a niggle.
I read that CdG visibly tired over the duration of the test so probably not match-fit. Best to let him recover if that is true.
I would select Jamieson too.
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To even be having these discussions is such a treat. Good players are going to be left out, rotated, rested. Never in my life did I think that I would say that.
In the past we were lucky to have a couple of competent bowlers, sometimes one great one, that were even fit to walk to the ground. If we had good bowlers they were usually broken and the whole attack was weak.
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@bovidae said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
@snowy said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I would have thought that a player with a long time off with injury would need the match time? Maybe he still has a niggle.
I read that CdG visibly tired over the duration of the test so probably not match-fit. Best to let him recover if that is true.
I would select Jamieson too.
Gotcha re CDG. He could be what we need in the WTC. Just that game breaker type. Whether it be golden arm or smashing it out of the park. Fully expecting Southampton to be as spin friendly as they can make it.
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I’d almost be tempted to pick Ravindra as our spinner and to bat 7. I don’t see any of our spinners eventually troubling the Indians much, so we may as well have someone who can score some runs at the same time. (Even Raval looked more threatening in Oz with the ball than Satnav.)
Though I do like Ajaz, he always looks so genuinely excited to be playing for the Black Caps.
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@donsteppa said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
I’d almost be tempted to pick Ravindra as our spinner and to bat 7. I don’t see any of our spinners eventually troubling the Indians much, so we may as well have someone who can score some runs at the same time. (Even Raval looked more threatening in Oz with the ball than Satnav.)
Though I do like Ajaz, he always looks so genuinely excited to be playing for the Black Caps.
That was the point I was going to come in and make. The Indians are pros at playing spin and we don't have any that would really trouble them, so I'd rather just go all out seam which is our strength. Don't give them any respite by chucking on a spinner that's not even half as good as they are used to playing on a pitch that won't be overly conducive to spin.
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@no-quarter said in Cricket 2021: NZ in England and WTC Final:
Don't give them any respite by chucking on a spinner that's not even half as good as they are used to playing on a pitch that won't be overly conducive to spin.
So you think that we will pick a spinner then.
