Americas Cup
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
Gave them a loan in 2003 I think so that we could compete in Valencia.
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
@canefan dont think i ever knew that, for like 1995?
Gave them a loan in 2003 I think so that we could compete in Valencia.
OK, so I might have been talking out of my arse.....
Yes he gave them a loan, to get us there
He was considered a possible investor in the time preceding Coutts and Butterworth leaving, the other reference I could find for it is here
Unfortunately the crucial bit is at the start and is blocked out by NZH. Fanks
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Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
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@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
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@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
What was the rule that we introduced about nationality to stop some of that a few years back?
This will be the new one:
A new rule will require 100 per cent of the race crew for each competitor to either be a passport holder of the country of the team’s yacht club as of Friday [March 19] or to have been physically present in that country for two of the previous three years before March 18.
An exception will be made, with a discretionary provision allowing a quota of non-nationals on the race crew for competitors from “Emerging Nations”. -
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
@canefan said in Americas Cup:
@snowy said in Americas Cup:
Pretty sure that the loan comment came from Butterworth when he sold out too and I wouldn't trust him either.
Complete snake pit.
Grant said it too. I think the sooner we get away from the idea that AC sailing is about nations vs nations the better. It's all about the money
What was the rule that we introduced about nationality to stop some of that a few years back?
This will be the new one:
A new rule will require 100 per cent of the race crew for each competitor to either be a passport holder of the country of the team’s yacht club as of Friday [March 19] or to have been physically present in that country for two of the previous three years before March 18.
An exception will be made, with a discretionary provision allowing a quota of non-nationals on the race crew for competitors from “Emerging Nations”.Trying to bring it back to a national contest. Which funnily enough is the vision Coutts has with Sailing GP
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I do love some AC drama, this is interesting if true, i know they have to be sponsored by a yacht club and would be huge if they were to move away from RNZYS
I dont know what the agreement between ETNS and RNZYS looks like, is it pretty symbolic or does RNZYS has some sort of influence on ETNZ...is it in perpetuity or is it a event to event kind of deal
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
I do love some AC drama, this is interesting if true, i know they have to be sponsored by a yacht club and would be huge if they were to move away from RNZYS
I dont know what the agreement between ETNS and RNZYS looks like, is it pretty symbolic or does RNZYS has some sort of influence on ETNZ...is it in perpetuity or is it a event to event kind of deal
If TNZ won the cup under the entry of the RNZYS then surely they have to keep depending it as such don't they?
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@crucial im really not certain
edit: Just talking to my "yachty mate" and he said "The RNZYS is the defender represented by Emirates Team New Zealand" and there for cant change, he also said he didn't buy it was a real issue
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@crucial said in Americas Cup:
Isn't the AC held between YCs and not 'teams'?
As I understand it yes. Deed of gift stuff, but that is also bullshit because it was supposed to be:
“challenge trophy" to promote friendly competition among nationsThat horse bolted long ago.
The cup is held by a yacht club that appoints a defender (again if I have the deed stuff correct). RNZYS members may well have a point. If everybody walks from ETNZ it isn't a great one though.
@Kiwiwomble I have no idea about the influence on ETNZ be nice to know though. Also a time frame as you say.
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@snowy ive always thought the drama around the AC is a lot of fun....as long as we get racing at the end of it, you're right ultimately dropping ETNZ wouldn't be good for anyone, hopefully its enough to scare ENTZ into staying in NZ
I can just see someone like coutts rocking up and offering to defend it for RNZYS in NZ, the Ocacle Team New Zealand or something
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@kiwiwomble Yeah rich pricks throwing money at lawyers is fun (I'm kidding, I like AC drama as well). Didn't think that we would see it like this here but it's the cup and it happens everywhere.
Your last sentence is both amusing and fucking hideous. Also possible.
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@kiwiwomble said in Americas Cup:
I can just see someone like coutts rocking up and offering to defend it for RNZYS in NZ, the Oracle Team New Zealand or something
Fuck yes, please. I'm currently working for the Evil-Big-Red-O - and would presumably get free tickets and rides on the boat and shit.
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“We are aware of a RNZYS member, [America’s Cup lawyer] Mr Hamish Ross, who acts for the New York Yacht Club (NYYC) and recently delivered a wildcard challenge as well as their proposed protocol to the Commodore of the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron (RNZYS) on behalf of the New York Yacht Club,” Team New Zealand said in a statement. “Mr Ross appears to be leading the agenda of the NYYC who he represents by seeking to impose their agenda on the RNZYS and the 37th America’s Cup.”
Why Coutts jumped ship - New Zealand News - NZ Herald
