Blues v Brumbies
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I bemoan the tunnel vision refereeing interpretation when a blues player got held up in a tackle causing a maul ( well done Brumbies defence). Better was the blues then "accepting" that and charging 15-20 metres downfield in a mini maul, if you like. Brumbies knowing they had hands on the ball then blatantly and deliberately pulled the maul down and the cookie cutter ref called turnover scrum to the visitors.
Completely ignored the pulling down of his announced maul.
Basically just ignored the fundamental maul law because it wasn't near a try line and didn't come from a lineout.
It was a shame because it was a great opportunity to showcase another, quite intellectual, game tactic. Too often a stalemate exists when a tackle becomes a maul and we wait for a pile down and no one moves on the ground.
Here was a great countermove example but the ref bottled it.Annoyed me at the time. Stifled an innovative strategy that could add another facet to rugby - what you could do when a ref calls maul "against" you
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@siam said in Blues v Brumbies:
I bemoan the tunnel vision refereeing interpretation when a blues player got held up in a tackle causing a maul ( well done Brumbies defence). Better was the blues then "accepting" that and charging 15-20 metres downfield in a mini maul, if you like. Brumbies knowing they had hands on the ball then blatantly and deliberately pulled the maul down and the cookie cutter ref called turnover scrum to the visitors.
interesting idea, but refs aren't going to be on board I don't think. At the time I credited the Brumbies with rugby nous - conceding metres, as they knew they'd get the ball back if htey didn't let go. But you make a fair point.
The entry into rucks does my absolute head in. People clean out jacklers at 90 degrees, and the refs just watch it and shrug ... until they blow a random penalty.
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@african-monkey yep, players people dont rate they see every error they make and magnify them, and then every good thing as just doing what they should, and the opposite too.
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@nzzp said in Blues v Brumbies:
@siam said in Blues v Brumbies:
I bemoan the tunnel vision refereeing interpretation when a blues player got held up in a tackle causing a maul ( well done Brumbies defence). Better was the blues then "accepting" that and charging 15-20 metres downfield in a mini maul, if you like. Brumbies knowing they had hands on the ball then blatantly and deliberately pulled the maul down and the cookie cutter ref called turnover scrum to the visitors.
interesting idea, but refs aren't going to be on board I don't think. At the time I credited the Brumbies with rugby nous - conceding metres, as they knew they'd get the ball back if htey didn't let go. But you make a fair point.
The entry into rucks does my absolute head in. People clean out jacklers at 90 degrees, and the refs just watch it and shrug ... until they blow a random penalty.
I'd hope the refs don't have to do anything except notice the maul (that they announced) was now travelling forward and that normal maul rules apply until it's either stationary or collapsed by it's own volition, which would be most cases.
In my mind, the blues just got on with mauling and the ponies transgressed thinking that the "held up" call superseded an act of foul (?) play?
Basically, the Brumbies sought a maul, were given a maul then gave away a penalty when the said maul didn't go the way they expected.
Too cerebral?🙂
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@gt12 said in Blues v Brumbies:
@kiwimurph said in Blues v Brumbies:
Time to hook Renata.
Mafileo was our unsung hero last week - keeping Sio straight and up is a trick
Sio seems good at bluffing on hit and causing TH to overextend and knee on ground. Renata though was trying to pull arm down at times.
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A bit fanciful, but I'd love to see a decade long rivalry between Zarn Sullivan and Will Jordan reminiscent of the Hewson/Deans or Mexted/Atkins type battles and conjecture.
Zarn still with a bit to show, obviously, but they compare nicely physically with a good contrast of the skills and match turning attributes they provide.
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By christ that red headed Robinson gets through some clean out work!
Didn't notice how slow Christie was at distributing untill this thread - now I can't but not notice it!
Is it a tactic like Weepu used to do or just an area of improvement? Seems to stifle the backline and second receiver can only head back into the area the ball came from
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@siam said in Blues v Brumbies:
By christ that red headed Robinson gets through some clean out work!
Didn't notice how slow Christie was at distributing untill this thread - now I can't but not notice it!
Is it a tactic like Weepu used to do or just an area of improvement? Seems to stifle the backline and second receiver can only head back into the area the ball came from
The few times he got to the rcuk and just cleared it rather than meerkatting, it was an amazing difference
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Most 9s do that though, sure they are assessing options but the good players read the play and get there and shift it (ala Smith most of the time)
A real peeve of mine is 9s who get there and have thier hands on the ball for 2 or 3 sec or longer before passing (although this is more refs allowing them to fuck around and move the ball, hold it while assessing options)
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@siam said in Blues v Brumbies:
By christ that red headed Robinson gets through some clean out work!
And yet someone posted he had quiet game , Robinson’s thirst for work is 2nd to none , normally we see a lot of him carrying but his clean outs were one of the key reasons the Blues did not turn ball over ., and boy does he make a high number of tackles , geez if that’s one his more quiet games , I would take that every day of the week .
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@steven-harris said in Blues v Brumbies:
And yet someone posted he had quiet game , Robinson’s thirst for work is 2nd to none , normally we see a lot of him carrying but his clean outs were one of the key reasons the Blues did not turn ball over ., and boy does he make a high number of tackles , geez if that’s one his more quiet games , I would take that every day of the week .
It was me. He did have a quiet game.
This match he made 4 tackles and had 2 carries (4m gained). Thats way down on every other match he's played this year.
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@duluth said in Blues v Brumbies:
I would also note that it's probably because of the stop start nature of this game. He tends to get invovled more as the phase counts get higher
Yeah I think so. As the phases build he has more opportunity to just get a bit wider and into space which makes him more visible.
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@nzzp said in Blues v Brumbies:
@siam said in Blues v Brumbies:
I bemoan the tunnel vision refereeing interpretation when a blues player got held up in a tackle causing a maul ( well done Brumbies defence). Better was the blues then "accepting" that and charging 15-20 metres downfield in a mini maul, if you like. Brumbies knowing they had hands on the ball then blatantly and deliberately pulled the maul down and the cookie cutter ref called turnover scrum to the visitors.
interesting idea, but refs aren't going to be on board I don't think. At the time I credited the Brumbies with rugby nous - conceding metres, as they knew they'd get the ball back if htey didn't let go. But you make a fair point.
The entry into rucks does my absolute head in. People clean out jacklers at 90 degrees, and the refs just watch it and shrug ... until they blow a random penalty.
That has Master Pakman screaming at screen!
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