Reds v Chiefs
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@gunner said in Reds v Chiefs:
@nzzp said in Reds v Chiefs:
@gunner said in Reds v Chiefs:
I hate those penalties/yellow cards.
Was hardly a ‘deliberate knock on’, it was more a I’ll have a crack at that, coz it could come off…
It's annoying, but it's the way it's been refereed for ages. The players should know better
Yep I know… doesn’t mean I have to agree 😉
Happens anywhere else on the field except the 22 it’s a knock on.
Just annoys me, there’s a deliberate knock on, then there’s taking a chance. Big difference IMO.Deliberate attempt at stopping a certain try
Yellow and Penalty Try every day of the week
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@toddy said in Reds v Chiefs:
Shit that was a real piece of filth from DMac.
Serious dumb arse filth that was only ever going to result in a flat red. Did the speedy hobbit get over-excited because he was playing against someone even tinier than him?
Hope he never does that type of shit in the Black Jersey. That would be unforgiveable.
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@mikethesnow said in Reds v Chiefs:
@gunner said in Reds v Chiefs:
@nzzp said in Reds v Chiefs:
@gunner said in Reds v Chiefs:
I hate those penalties/yellow cards.
Was hardly a ‘deliberate knock on’, it was more a I’ll have a crack at that, coz it could come off…
It's annoying, but it's the way it's been refereed for ages. The players should know better
Yep I know… doesn’t mean I have to agree 😉
Happens anywhere else on the field except the 22 it’s a knock on.
Just annoys me, there’s a deliberate knock on, then there’s taking a chance. Big difference IMO.Deliberate attempt at stopping a certain try
Yellow and Penalty Try every day of the week
Not in itself yellow cardable or penalusable . It was doing so illegally that made it.
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I stopped watching with the cards and 13 players. Not because I thought the cards were wrong, just because it seemed like the contest was over. Which is why I hate the concept. Punish the player, not the team and fans.
The "how" is a bit tougher, but financial penalties and bans should encourage them to be more wary of the other players wellbeing.
Having read the thread it sounds like the Chiefs even getting close was a good result.
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@snowy I have been banging on for years about hating cards and feeling like they are ruining the game for me. Good to see the rest of you plebs are starting to catch up.
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How on earth do you punish the player but not the team? You can't replace the guy, them you'll just have thugs hurting people as part of the game.
Maybe there is a 20min bin solution or similar, but it certainly has to be long enough to hurt the team.
And in this particular case, anyone arguing in favour of the little midget needs their head read. Terrible play, deserved everything he got.
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I thought the 20 minute red card sanction held up a bit in this game.
But for the knowledge that 15 vs 15 would resume after 20 mins I would have taken my advertising metric elsewhere.
Some progress I guess. My preference would be a yellow to DMac with "bracing for contact" being a mitigating factor, but that's entertainment trumping a principle of the law - so not very objective
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@voodoo said in Reds v Chiefs:
How on earth do you punish the player but not the team? You can't replace the guy, them you'll just have thugs hurting people as part of the game.
Maybe there is a 20min bin solution or similar, but it certainly has to be long enough to hurt the team.
And in this particular case, anyone arguing in favour of the little midget needs their head read. Terrible play, deserved everything he got.
I did say how in my post.
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@snowy I don't think that's a sensible route. Teams can cover fines. Bans are already in place.
Imagine a RWC and some English thug takes out our best player in the 2nd minute. Gets a $20k fine and 4 weeks off. No impact on the team and they go on to win.
Lunacy
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@crazy-horse said in Reds v Chiefs:
@snowy I have been banging on for years about hating cards and feeling like they are ruining the game for me. Good to see the rest of you plebs are starting to catch up.
Whilst being at risk of admitting to be a pleb, I've also gone on about it for a while. Thousands of people pay to go and see a match that has the "fair contest" removed from it.
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The thing is, rugby is a team game. One guy misses a tackle, hurts the whole team. One guy doesn't scramble back on D, can be the difference between saving or conceding a try.
If someone makes a reckless or dangerous tackle, it can and absolutely should impact the team.
The key for me is making sure that we penalise the right things. Intention is hard to judge, but I think most of us agree that foul play is really what we are after, not trying to penalise an error of judgement.
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@voodoo said in Reds v Chiefs:
@snowy I don't think that's a sensible route. Teams can cover fines. Bans are already in place.
Imagine a RWC and some English thug takes out our best player in the 2nd minute. Gets a $20k fine and 4 weeks off. No impact on the team and they go on to win.
Lunacy
They still get removed from the match and hopefully many more. The team suffers because they have to use a replacement. The fans don't because it is still 15 on 15.
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@snowy said in Reds v Chiefs:
@voodoo said in Reds v Chiefs:
@snowy I don't think that's a sensible route. Teams can cover fines. Bans are already in place.
Imagine a RWC and some English thug takes out our best player in the 2nd minute. Gets a $20k fine and 4 weeks off. No impact on the team and they go on to win.
Lunacy
They still get removed from the match and hopefully many more. The team suffers because they have to use a replacement. The fans don't because it is still 15 on 15.
Mate, I'm miles away from you here. Let's agree to disagree.
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@snowy said in Reds v Chiefs:
@voodoo said in Reds v Chiefs:
@snowy I don't think that's a sensible route. Teams can cover fines. Bans are already in place.
Imagine a RWC and some English thug takes out our best player in the 2nd minute. Gets a $20k fine and 4 weeks off. No impact on the team and they go on to win.
Lunacy
They still get removed from the match and hopefully many more. The team suffers because they have to use a replacement. The fans don't because it is still 15 on 15.
A team could literally call up a hit man to take out the other team's best player. That's a crazy idea. The best balance is struck by the 20 minute red card. Just stick with that.
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Dear God, those Chiefs jerseys!!
Deserved a hiding for that alone!What a stupid decision for colour TV. Looked fucking ridiculous. Constantly, are they faded, covered in coal dust, patched together from different coloured material, been fire damaged, borrowed from the homeless, fucken certainly ain't "white".
Hope the ponytailed marketing queefs lose a truckload on that abomination!😡
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@hydro11 said in Reds v Chiefs:
@snowy said in Reds v Chiefs:
@voodoo said in Reds v Chiefs:
@snowy I don't think that's a sensible route. Teams can cover fines. Bans are already in place.
Imagine a RWC and some English thug takes out our best player in the 2nd minute. Gets a $20k fine and 4 weeks off. No impact on the team and they go on to win.
Lunacy
They still get removed from the match and hopefully many more. The team suffers because they have to use a replacement. The fans don't because it is still 15 on 15.
A team could literally call up a hit man to take out the other team's best player. That's a crazy idea. The best balance is struck by the 20 minute red card. Just stick with that.
Could happen I suppose, but that would be pretty rare nowadays I would think. There is a lot to lose if such tactics were to become public. Coaches and players would cop it from all sides.
Edit: I'd be happy with a 10 minute red. 20 mins still ruins it a bit for me.
