One domestic NZ competition?
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@gt12 said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@duluth said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@godder said in One domestic NZ competition?:
Sky pay for games and duration. Make a shorter, tougher season, and Sky will pay less because there are people who only subscribe for the rugby, so if the professional rugby season is shorter, Sky will lose subscription revenue.
SRA is the shorter tougher season
I'm advocating for a longer professional competition with the best players
After listening to Ben Darwin on the rugby pod (which was interesting even if I thought I'd really like to see the maths they used to generate those stats), another way of dealing with the gap in rugby for the 'professionals' during Sept/Oct as mentioned by some above would be having an 'academy league' where teams have to play a certain number of development players (or players under a certain age with a certain number of caps) in their team. Of course they could also surround them with some of their professionals to keep some structure and maintain a reasonable level. This would allow Super teams to develop some cohesion and introduce players at a lower level. It could also punish teams loaded with ABs (assuming that aBs don't get to play) but would fill a supposed 'gap' in the schedule.
I enjoyed the Ben Darwin thing too gt. Like the academy idea, though think the super U20s almost does that, and really NPC is also pretty important for same thing. If we didn't have NPC even as semi pro comp we would have an awful lot of players going to semi pro clubs overseas.
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@dan54 The problem i have here is these leagues are used as development tools for test matches, to create the strongest test teams.
It means the domestic league itself is always 2nd tier. I think league has the balance right (between club and international) they just lack in meaningful international matches/competition.
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@kirwan said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@godder said in One domestic NZ competition?:
If the Crusaders played tests, where would they rank internationally?
I think most of the Super sides in NZ would beat a lot of international teams.
Tenth. They'd beat Japan easily, and be competitive against those just above that
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@muddyriver said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@dan54 The problem i have here is these leagues are used as development tools for test matches, to create the strongest test teams.
It means the domestic league itself is always 2nd tier. I think league has the balance right (between club and international) they just lack in meaningful international matches/competition.
Yeah, it’s this whole top down approach...get some good results for the abs but things get a bit neglected the further you get from the ab
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@muddyriver said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@dan54 The problem i have here is these leagues are used as development tools for test matches, to create the strongest test teams.
It means the domestic league itself is always 2nd tier. I think league has the balance right (between club and international) they just lack in meaningful international matches/competition.
Look I don't watch league, so from my limited knowledge isn't same there? Not for test teams, as they don't really have meaningful ones, but aren't comps below NRL used to develop NRL players? It is a fact all sports use the comp below to develop players in some way to feed the one above, doesn't make either comp less meaningful.
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I'd go for a regular 14 team NPC with all teams receiving equal NZRU funding: eg what they spend now on salaries for five franchises, equally distributed among all 14 teams. Then add a maximum each team can use themselves on players, weighted in some way based on size. This way the larger unions aren't penalised via a socialist structure but the smaller unions by way of NZRU funding also have the ability to sign big names.
This would be played early in the year, with a six team finals series to find the winner. These teams then go into a 16 team SR comp with five Australian, two PI and three Japanese teams, in two pools.
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@machpants said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@kirwan said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@godder said in One domestic NZ competition?:
If the Crusaders played tests, where would they rank internationally?
I think most of the Super sides in NZ would beat a lot of international teams.
Tenth. They'd beat Japan easily, and be competitive against those just above that
When the Blues were a basket case we beat the Lions.
I think most of our teams are better now.
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@kirwan said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@machpants said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@kirwan said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@godder said in One domestic NZ competition?:
If the Crusaders played tests, where would they rank internationally?
I think most of the Super sides in NZ would beat a lot of international teams.
Tenth. They'd beat Japan easily, and be competitive against those just above that
When the Blues were a basket case we beat the Lions.
I think most of our teams are better now.
I think you over estimate the strength of a lions team still meeting each other and jet lagged!
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@machpants said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@kirwan said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@machpants said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@kirwan said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@godder said in One domestic NZ competition?:
If the Crusaders played tests, where would they rank internationally?
I think most of the Super sides in NZ would beat a lot of international teams.
Tenth. They'd beat Japan easily, and be competitive against those just above that
When the Blues were a basket case we beat the Lions.
I think most of our teams are better now.
I think you over estimate the strength of a lions team still meeting each other and jet lagged!
And you aren’t considering how bad the blues were back then
The cream of NH rugby…
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If it's close to test match intensity, would a structure of fewer teams but more weeks off work better? Sounds like more recovery time might be in order for the NZ derby games, so if teams played fortnightly but spread out so every week had games, the player welfare would be better, and Sky would get a nice long season to sell to punters.
