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<p>I saw Ita play at the Cake Tin a few years ago and he was a real handful for the Canes boys, before getting knocked out by a Motu'u special. A real shame for such a talented and bruising player.</p>
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<p>This is pretty sad , looks like he worked hard to get into shape<br><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/78806428/Brumbies-back-rower-Ita-Vaea-retires-after-doctors-warn-rugby-could-kill-him'>http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/78806428/Brumbies-back-rower-Ita-Vaea-retires-after-doctors-warn-rugby-could-kill-him</a></p>
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<p>that really sucks, but good decision.</p>
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<p>A guy i played rugby with for years up here collapsed and died after a game on the weekend (not sure why yet), leaving a wife and 3 young kids. That shit is scary. </p> -
<p>ARU have announced a $10.8M loss including $6M to prop up the Rebels.</p>
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<p>Considering that the 5 franchises must be harming the ability to earn money from the spreading of talent you wonder why paying out for one of those teams makes sense.</p>
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<p>A loss in a RWC year is expected. Less gate revenue, less TV revenue, less sponsorship. Some of that is made up by IRB grants, but not enough - in 2011 we recorded a similar result (about $4m).</p>
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<p>The 5 vs 4 team thing is an old debate, and ultimately the ARU have decided to wear the cost of that in order to have a national footprint. It also gets us more TV cash.</p>
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<p>I guess the calculation (over a long term) is TV cash generated by 5th team less cost to prop up 5th team less cost of potential earnings from finals etc due to weaker teams.</p>
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<p>It does give more opportunities for our players. The Force and Rebels have unearthed some really good youngsters that may not have had an opportunity under the old structure. </p>
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<p>It just means all of our sides are a bit weaker because of it. It will hopefully improve over the longer term, but I don't know.</p> -
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<p>What's the breakdown for the increased revenue with Lion's Tours?</p>
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<p>No doubt gate sales but how else does the host nation make so much? Anybody know?</p>
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<p>TV rights back to the UK (and hte rest of the world). Kind of like when India tour in cricket I guess.</p> -
<p>from here, dating back to 2013: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/22814824'>http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/22814824</a></p>
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<p style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, freesans, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(18,18,18);">The Lions tour of Australia is <a class="" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/britishandirishlionsrugby/10072262/British-and-Irish-Lions-2013-financial-balance-of-future-tours-to-be-discussed.html">reportedly expected to generate £40m for the Australian Rugby Union,</a> while the Lions are expected to share a pot of £6m, generated largely by sponsorship. All the profits made by the Lions are shared by Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales.</p>
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<p>I don't have a problem with Aussie having 5 teams (anymore). They seem to be well supported, and spreading the depth for Australia.</p>
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<p>10.8mm loss isn't too bad I don't think, especially given Barb's WC year comments. A good CEO with strong support staff should be able to turn that around pretty quickly. It's a matter of pinpointing where the losses are coming from and stemming the tide.</p> -
<p>The question is really is that expected? Do other unions suffer the same in a RWC year?</p>
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<p>Good question. The NZRU agm is in a couple of weeks so I guess we can compare then.</p>
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<p>Haven't we already announced our figures? I will look it up but seem to recall it being a minor profit due mainly to the hit taken from less tests.</p> -
<p>It was a loss but smaller than expected</p>
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<p>New Zealand Rugby turned to a loss in 2015 and is budgeting for that loss to worsen this year as the national sports administrator increases funding to financially challenged provincial rugby.</p>
<p>NZ Rugby posted a loss of $463,000 in the year to Dec. 31, from a profit of $373,000 a year earlier, the rugby union said in a statement. Income rose 11 percent to $133.7 million, while costs increased 12 percent to $134.3 million. Cash reserves fell slightly to $59.1 million from $62.6 million a year earlier.</p>
<p>The loss was less than the central union budgeted for, chief executive Steve Tew said, and the organisation had invested a record amount in rugby for a Rugby World Cup year, driven by its desire to win back-to-back titles. It also increased funding for the men’s and women’s sevens teams in the lead up to this year’s Olympic Games in Rio de Janeiro where sevens makes it’s debut as an Olympic event.</p>
<p>The organisation makes less in a World Cup year with fewer tests played, Tew said. Test match revenue fell $12 million from 2014, which added to an undisclosed financial loss from the 2015 Wellington Sevens. However, Tew said the cash reserves meant its overall financial position remained strong.</p>
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<p>A $12M hit on income due to less tests but only a $800k hit on profit.</p>
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<p>Full article here <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://business.scoop.co.nz/2016/03/16/nz-rugby-falls-to-loss-increases-provincial-funding/'>http://business.scoop.co.nz/2016/03/16/nz-rugby-falls-to-loss-increases-provincial-funding/</a></p> -
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<p>How are we still losing money after selling the jersey?</p>
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<p>No more bailing out spend crazy provincial unions and let the chips fall where they may please!</p>
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<p>Did you actually read the article?</p>
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<p>As I said above a $10M hit on income and an $800k negative effect on profit is pretty damn good.</p>
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<p>Do you really want to go all hardline on provinces? The NZRU doesn't prop up mismanaged unions any more. They have worked hard alongside them to change the operating model of provincial rugby to realsitic levels while maintaining what is arguably one of our biggest advantages over other countries. A semi-pro comp that displays, coaches and readies talent for the pro level to identify. Our base is integrated into the whole pathway to the ABs for both players and coaches and is envied by others. Investing relatively small amounts of money with the game at that level has big paybacks in the long term.</p>
<p>Unions posting losses now are mainly because they are still dealing with some old contracts and decisions on players and grounds made in different times. The aim is for them all to break even but that may mean that some more of the TV money they generate has to go back to them.</p> -
<p>well we all know Rotated was very anti the AIG thing, so his pre-conceived ideas spread to ignoring facts to allow him one more stab.</p>
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<p>well we all know Rotated was very anti the AIG thing, so his pre-conceived ideas spread to ignoring facts to allow him one more stab.</p>
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<p>Isnt it now just the larger Provincial Unions that are still struggling to balance their books, with the obvious higher overheads?</p>
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<p>For FY14 it was Wellington and Waikato in the red, Counties, Canterbury and NH managed to just get into the black. BOP, Poo and Ta$man had good results.</p>
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<p>I think some Unions are breaking even only because of returns on accumulated funds.</p>
