One domestic NZ competition?
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@dan54 said in One domestic NZ competition?:
I still reckon having an 'elite' comp is a great idea, stepping stone to ABs if you will. I pretty happy with structure we got now.
What is the "structure we got now."?
It's different to the structure we will have next year, it is also different to the structure we had last year, which was different to the structure we had the year before.
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@yeetyaah i feel the chiefs connect with there waikato and counties province well. Thats probably the same for for the 5 main cities/franchises where the NPC teams play in front of empty stands. Definitly wellington and waikato anyway
I feel in northland most people are more supportive of the Taniwha than any super Rugby side, and that is probably reflected in our stadium numbers.
I am on record last year advocating for a comp like this. Was the perfect time. Even an NRL type scenario with NZ 10 teams 5 aussie teams. Aussies would be very strong obviously but thatd be great.
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@muddyriver said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@yeetyaah i feel the chiefs connect with there waikato and counties province well. Thats probably the same for for the 5 main cities/franchises where the NPC teams play in front of empty stands. Definitly wellington and waikato anyway
I feel in northland most people are more supportive of the Taniwha than any super Rugby side, and that is probably reflected in our stadium numbers.
I am on record last year advocating for a comp like this. Was the perfect time. Even an NRL type scenario with NZ 10 teams 5 aussie teams. Aussies would be very strong obviously but thatd be great.
The quickest way to improve standards in New Zealand rugby is to lose to Australians.
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@muddyriver said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@yeetyaah i feel the chiefs connect with there waikato and counties province well. Thats probably the same for for the 5 main cities/franchises where the NPC teams play in front of empty stands. Definitly wellington and waikato anyway
I feel in northland most people are more supportive of the Taniwha than any super Rugby side, and that is probably reflected in our stadium numbers.
I am on record last year advocating for a comp like this. Was the perfect time. Even an NRL type scenario with NZ 10 teams 5 aussie teams. Aussies would be very strong obviously but thatd be great.
I think its probably similar for lots of "secondary" cities/unions, i know mates from invercargill wo care little for the Highlanders, not helped by the strange seemingly deliberate removal of connections to these areas, our away jersey often cited as an example
@rapido said in One domestic NZ competition?:
The North Auckland Knightiwhas:
thats sick, have suggested something similar for the Highlanders but obviously darker blue and gold instead of white
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the perfect amalgamation already exists
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@kiwiwomble said in One domestic NZ competition?:
thats sick, have suggested something similar for the Highlanders but obviously darker blue and gold instead of white
I have also suggested this.
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@bovidae said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@rapido The Turbulltchers can just use Northampton jerseys.
I'm trying to get some Wanganui into it. Plus, to differentiate them from Northampton. I'm not a fan off all teams trying to look the same, like in Super Rugby every team morphing into NSW / Northern Transvaal kit. Like shy kids trying to blend in.
But, some of those Northampton jerseys have been just absolutely fucking beautiful. Apart from that fluro one.
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@rapido said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@kiwiwomble said in One domestic NZ competition?:
thats sick, have suggested something similar for the Highlanders but obviously darker blue and gold instead of white
I have also suggested this.
i have heard someone suggest, but not heard anything official there may be drivers from broadcasters for block colours, trying to avoid contrasting stripes, football world cup has pushed teams to use single colours for a while unless you have something super iconic like croatia's checkers
they had it petty right at their first go
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@kiwiwomble said in One domestic NZ competition?:
i have heard someone suggest, but not heard anything official there may be drivers from broadcasters for block colours, trying to avoid contrasting stripes, football world cup has pushed teams to use single colours for a while unless you have something super iconic like croatia's checkers
Do people still have black and white tvs?
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@antipodean i thought it might actually more of a modern problem, projecting sponsors on the field maybe and so having simple colours so you dont get weird shit happening on the jerseys
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@kiwiwomble said in One domestic NZ competition?:
i have heard someone suggest, but not heard anything official there may be drivers from broadcasters for block colours, trying to avoid contrasting stripes, football world cup has pushed teams to use single colours for a while unless you have something super iconic like croatia's checkers
As Antipodean says, that was a black & white TV thing.
FIFA have been doing that, weirdly, last 20 years, not even letting shorts clash, and it makes it a very boring spectacle. Watch a review of 1986 or 82 , or 1970 world cup on youtube, it's a delight of instant recognition.
But now - Ah, it's the team in proper cololurs v the team in all white. Except if team A's proper colouts also include white shorts, then it's team in all colour v team in all white. Very boring, like amateur boxing.
But, I think you give too much credit to either officials or broadcasters in rugby to think they are controlling it. It is clubs wanting clean shirts to put their advertising on. Club officials having no idea that some peope value tradition and identity. And colour-blind, style blind designers at the kit manufacturers.
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oh, i had it all the other way around, patterns were good for black and white so you could tell the teams apart without colour
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@rapido Not sure if you have been watching any rugby in NZ. You know where we have a structure that involves cluc rugby, step up to Provincial rugby to Super and then to Test rugby? It is a very good reason why NZ rugby is so strong, what are you suggesting we drop provincial rugby? Or Super rugby, an elite comp between Provoncial and Test ?Sure as hell won't get much agreement from those charged with turning out test high level teams.
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@dan54 said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@rapido Not sure if you have been watching any rugby in NZ. You know where we have a structure that involves cluc rugby, step up to Provincial rugby to Super and then to Test rugby? It is a very good reason why NZ rugby is so strong, what are you suggesting we drop provincial rugby? Or Super rugby, an elite comp between Provoncial and Test ?Sure as hell won't get much agreement from those charged with turning out test high level teams.
it doesn't really work like that though does it. lots go straight to super (development) from school now, maybe only join a NPC team out of convenience if theyre already going to play super for the local team
the "levels" are all mixed up, hence at least my talk of some rationalisation
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@dan54 said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@rapido Not sure if you have been watching any rugby in NZ. You know where we have a structure that involves cluc rugby, step up to Provincial rugby to Super and then to Test rugby? It is a very good reason why NZ rugby is so strong, what are you suggesting we drop provincial rugby? Or Super rugby, an elite comp between Provoncial and Test ?Sure as hell won't get much agreement from those charged with turning out test high level teams.
It was a genuine question. There is no current permanent structure, apart from 5 NZ teams. The only constant.
As for your point about the structure producing good test rugby players, I disagree.
The structure , assuming old S18, or new SR Tt, is designed, or by unintended consequences, set up to create 4 strong NZ teams, usually 1 crap nz team, and if lucky 1 strong overseas team. And anywhere from 7 to 13 passenger teams.
Last year when we had SRA only, TJ Perenara publicly went on record to say it was too hard. So, what he is saying us that NZs top rugby players cant cope with tough week in - week out rugby. They can only cope with tough rugby as long as they have a sunwolves or rebels to intersperse with them.
Hence NZs shit ability to string 3 intence rugby tests in a row. E.g. a quarter, senior, final.
We are talent wasters, gross underachiever. Coasters.
The 5 nz teams might produce strong test rugby players if an e.g. Beauden Barrett was free to transfer to Rebels and drag them along by his bootlaces week in - week out. But it is designed to concentrate them in a few teams who spend 3/4 of the season bullying numpties.
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@duluth said in One domestic NZ competition?:
@godder said in One domestic NZ competition?:
Sky pay for games and duration. Make a shorter, tougher season, and Sky will pay less because there are people who only subscribe for the rugby, so if the professional rugby season is shorter, Sky will lose subscription revenue.
SRA is the shorter tougher season
I'm advocating for a longer professional competition with the best players
After listening to Ben Darwin on the rugby pod (which was interesting even if I thought I'd really like to see the maths they used to generate those stats), another way of dealing with the gap in rugby for the 'professionals' during Sept/Oct as mentioned by some above would be having an 'academy league' where teams have to play a certain number of development players (or players under a certain age with a certain number of caps) in their team. Of course they could also surround them with some of their professionals to keep some structure and maintain a reasonable level. This would allow Super teams to develop some cohesion and introduce players at a lower level. It could also punish teams loaded with ABs (assuming that aBs don't get to play) but would fill a supposed 'gap' in the schedule.
