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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    wrote on last edited by taniwharugby
    #719

    What is clear, is Ruru is not the answer for the Blues at 9 (esp to start) neither Nock or Christie have been given the repeated chances to play into form that Ruru does.

    It is not like fucking around with the 9s is a new thing under McDonald though.

    I said at the start of the season Nock or Christie needed to be given a shot to start, and backed them to start and form combinations and get some form, yet any hint of a substandard kick, pass or 50-50 ref call and they get dropped, yet Ruru can have a shocker and gets to start the following week, although he then gets dropped even if he has a half decent game.

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    #720

    @kirwan said in Blues 2021:

    Not the coaches fault, up to the players to fit the gameplan and do the basics.

    I think the bench halfback has performed better than the starting halfback in every match? Look at the MOTM voting the only times the halfbacks registered were from the bench.
    (starts were Ruru 4, Nock 2, Christie 2)

    It's time to move on from Ruru at least. It appears Nock has not been rated by multiple coaches. Remember last year he missed a match because of an off field fight? I hope it's not that bullshit again.

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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
    #721

    Let's break down the halfback usage for the Blues this season.

    Game 1 - Nock Start, Ruru Bench
    Game 2 - Ruru Start, Nock Bench
    Game 3 - Ruru Start, Christie Bench
    Game 4 - Christie Start, Ruru Bench
    Game 5 - Nock Start, Ruru Bench
    Game 6 - Ruru Start, Christie Bench
    Game 7 - Ruru Start, Christie Bench
    Game 8 - Christie Start, Nock Bench

    A total mess.

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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    replied to Duluth on last edited by
    #722

    @duluth said in Blues 2021:

    @kirwan said in Blues 2021:

    Not the coaches fault, up to the players to fit the gameplan and do the basics.

    I think the bench halfback has performed better than the starting halfback in every match? Look at the MOTM voting the only times the halfbacks registered were from the bench.
    (starts were Ruru 4, Nock 2, Christie 2)

    It's time to move on from Ruru at least. It appears Nock has not been rated by multiple coaches. Remember last year he missed a match because of an off field fight? I hope it's not that bullshit again.

    That's not something that happens only at the Blues.

    A couple of years ago at the Mako, we had Christie as the No.1 halfback and Keisuke Uchida coming off the bench looking like an absolute gun.

    It seemed like a no-brainer that they should switch roles - but, when they did - Uchida looked like a roughie and Christie looked like a gun.

    I concluded that it's a lot harder being a starting halfback when everyone is fresh and you've got fractionally less time.

    I think the same thing happens regularly at the Crusaders with Hall and Drummond. Whomever comes of the bench tends to look slicker.

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    #723

    25K views · 668 reactions | When you find out points differentials...

    25K views · 668 reactions | When you find out points differentials...

    When you find out points differentials are meaningless 😂 #BluesAllDay #WeAreTheBlues

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    #724

    @chris-b Pulu subbing TKB at the Chiefs vs being a starter is another example.

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    #725

    @chris-b it isnt quite as bad when you have 2 9s alternating starting/bench roles, but the Blues do it with 3 halves, and while Ruru has a longer rope than the other 2, none really have had much chance to get going, as I think only Christie has had an injury but that was in the 1st game.

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  • Chris B.C Offline
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    replied to taniwharugby on last edited by Chris B.
    #726

    @taniwharugby From Murph's post above, looks like Ruru has played in every game, except this latest dead rubber.

    Otherwise there's a bit of a pattern of everyone getting some game time.

    Maybe Leon has an eye to future and is trying to develop all three, while none is clearly standing out over the others (but, perhaps Ruru is a little bit ahead - in LM's eyes)?

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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    #727

    @chris-b oh I am sure he is, but I also dont think there 'seems' to be any real pattern (horses for courses) given until last week, the 8 & 10 remained unchanged.

    I think all 3 have really been given a bit of a raw deal with limited chances to really claim the spot.

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    @chris-b said in Blues 2021:

    I concluded that it's a lot harder being a starting halfback when everyone is fresh and you've got fractionally less time.

    Byron and Justin as well, going back a few years.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    replied to Chris B. on last edited by Duluth
    #729

    @chris-b said in Blues 2021:

    Maybe Leon has an eye to future and is trying to develop all three, while none is clearly standing out over the others (but, perhaps Ruru is a little bit ahead - in LM's eyes)?

    I've always assumed that MacDonalds preference was for Christie (based on some media comments he's made)

    My guess is the other two were trialling against each other for the bench spot while Christie was still out. Then Christie came back from illness/injury and kind of sucked

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    @taniwharugby said in Blues 2021:

    @chris-b it isnt quite as bad when you have 2 9s alternating starting/bench roles, but the Blues do it with 3 halves, and while Ruru has a longer rope than the other 2, none really have had much chance to get going, as I think only Christie has had an injury but that was in the 1st game.

    After game 1, Ruru has had 4 starts in 6 games and came off the bench in the other two - so he's arguably had a pretty decent run. I'd guess he'd have a similar pattern of starts to Hall and Drummond, who have switched around a fair bit - and maybe even Smith and Fakatava.

    The other two have had a decent amount of game time, so neither can sit there like Ere Enari thinking, "I'm clearly number 3, I think I'll try my luck elsewhere".

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    replied to Chris B. on last edited by
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    @chris-b so the halfback who was 3rd choice last year, never proven at Super Rugby level and who has a game least suited to Super Rugby Aotearoa is the one who has been given the most chances.....

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    replied to KiwiMurph on last edited by
    #732

    @kiwimurph It's Ruru who's had the most chances.

    I don't know about the other stuff. 🙂

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    #733

    So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?

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    @nogusta said in Blues 2021:

    So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?

    AJ Lam had a tremendous few minutes on the park. High workrate, chased down the kickoff from the Blues at 19-19, and did a good job.

    Not saying he'll keep that up for 80 min, but I was impressed.

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    replied to Nogusta on last edited by Stargazer
    #735

    @nogusta said in Blues 2021:

    So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?


    Is that certain? All I could find in the media is this (from 1 May 2021):

    Caleb Clarke says he’ll use next week to decide whether he’ll go to the Olympics or play Super Rugby trans- Ta$man for the Blues and then for the All Blacks.

    The team will then have week off, before preparing for their first game of the inaugural Super Rugby trans- Ta$man competition.

    But the 22-year-old Clarke says he’ll spend the next few days deciding whether he’ll chase a gold medal at the Tokyo Games, or spend the rest of the season in the 15-man game.

    Clarke says right now he doesn’t know which way he’s leaning, but it will be one that Blues coach Leon MacDonald, All Blacks coach Ian Foster and sevens coach Clark Laidlaw will be anxiously waiting on.

    “I’m talking to both parties at the moment,” Clarke said.

    “Personally I feel like I haven’t really got to my full potential, it’s been a lot harder this year, trying to get into these games.

    “So that’s one side of it, but on the other, the Olympics is a once in a lifetime opportunity, so we’ll see how we go.”


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/124978492/caleb-clarke-to-decide-next-week-if-its-olympics-or-blues-and-all-blacks-for-him-this-winter

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    #736

    He should go to 7s. He's in a real funk at the moment and I think 7s would be a great way for him to get his attacking mojo back. Getting away from the Blues attacking game plan/attacking coach would be a good idea.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    @nzzp said in Blues 2021:

    @nogusta said in Blues 2021:

    So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?

    AJ Lam had a tremendous few minutes on the park. High workrate, chased down the kickoff from the Blues at 19-19, and did a good job.

    Not saying he'll keep that up for 80 min, but I was impressed.

    I would go for Lam as well

    It's interesting how many 14's there are. Caleb started every match at 11, Telea mostly was the 14 but occasionally it was Heem.
    So the Blues really are looking for an 11

    Lam, Narawa and Kneepkens consistently started on the right wing for their provinces

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    @duluth said in Blues 2021:

    @nzzp said in Blues 2021:

    @nogusta said in Blues 2021:

    So with Clarke heading off to the Mount now - who out of Narawa/Lam/Kneepkens/Heem should get first crack for the SR TT!?

    AJ Lam had a tremendous few minutes on the park. High workrate, chased down the kickoff from the Blues at 19-19, and did a good job.

    Not saying he'll keep that up for 80 min, but I was impressed.

    I would go for Lam as well

    It's interesting how many 14's there are. Caleb started every match at 11, Telea mostly was the 14 but occasionally it was Heem.
    So the Blues really are looking for an 11

    Lam, Narawa and Kneepkens consistently started on the right wing for their provinces

    I want them to move Reiko there, he's their best left wing.

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