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  • mofitzy_M Offline
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    You won't attract guys earning significantly more overseas. You won't attract NZ born guys who want to play for their home team. Hard to see this not being a failure on the field.

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    @mofitzy_ said in Pasifika SR team:

    Hard to see this not being a failure on the field.

    Not just for them either.

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    Is there a financial burden on NZR for this team?

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    All reports suggest that Moana Pasifika and the Fijian Drua need to fund themselves.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/124861521/super-rugby-australian-support-for-moana-pasifika-and-fiji-is-not-guaranteed

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    @taniwharugby said in Pasifika SR team:

    Is there a financial burden on NZR for this team?

    Yes because they are taking a cut of our broadcast revenue

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    @machpants shouldnt we get more money from the broadcast revenue due to supposedly enhancingthe product...

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    @taniwharugby said in Pasifika SR team:

    @machpants shouldnt we get more money from the broadcast revenue due to supposedly enhancingthe product...

    Dunno, but the deal is done? I really don't know - I know the sunwoves didn't get a cut

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    Short of an extremely strict set of qualification rules, this idea is just fucked. Completely and utterly fucked. For NZ rugby. And the irony is if the qualification isnt relaxed, there is zero hope of Moana Pacifika competing. So it's ludicrously fucked either way.

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    They're currently discussing MP on the Breakdown. Hopefully, it will be posted on YouTube, so we can post it here.

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    Ken Laban wants to kill NZ rugby, it seems.

    And JK actually making sense.

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    @stargazer said in Pasifika SR team:

    They're currently discussing MP on the Breakdown. Hopefully, it will be posted on YouTube, so we can post it here.

    If it's got Laban on it, I won't be watching. Hopefully someone will post want facts (not supposition) that came out. I doubt there will be any

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    @machpants It was actually a much better episode of the Breakdown, last night, than previous episodes. JK's responses to Ken Laban were on point!

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    If it isn't based in a PI nation, it's a NZ team. Calling NZ-born players PI players is disingenuous, or you are opening a massive can of worms.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/124889072/super-rugby-moana-pasifika-reveal-20-per-cent-of-squad-could-still-be-available-for-all-blacks

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    @mofitzy_ said in Pasifika SR team:

    The discussion about MP starts at about 7:25 until approx. 34:30.

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    It really rubs me the wrong way when they refer to player by their ethnicity rather than their nationality. It's parallel thinking with White nationalists. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Dan Leo, Ken Laban, Charles Piutau, Lima Sopoaga Steven Luatua are all born in NZ. They are kiwis as much as anyone else, in the same way that English footballers of Jamaican or Nigerian ancestry are still English (unless you are a White nationalist).

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    The whole thing sounds like woke nonsense. Are they going to prevent "pakeha" players from joining the squad?

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    @antipodean Why would they? 20% can be non-eligible for Tonga, Samoa or Fiji. That 20% could include anyone.

    If they explicitly exclude pakeha, then that would violate the Human Rights Act. But again, why would they? If they could get Beauden Barrett after his NZR contract expires as one of the 20%, I think they'd do it. The likes of Eliota what's-his-name wouldn't be happy, but the crowds would love it.

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    @stargazer said in Pasifika SR team:

    @antipodean Why would they?

    The clue is in the name and the link with Tonga and Samoa. This isn't my project so I'm asking questions why NZR is cannibalising itself to further support a team with the name Moana Pasifika.

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    @mofitzy_ The concept of Nationhood in the Pacific is entirely different from that in the Western world. It's not determined by your nationality or citizenship, but by your cultural heritage. It's a big cultural difference and important to Pacific peoples. Trying to impose cultural concepts on other people is just plain wrong.

    They'll need to find a practical solution that is acceptable to all; that requires a fair compromise.

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