Brumbies v Chiefs

hydro11

The Brumbies were 'in' that game - it was even in some respects actually. Then the Chiefs would just score an absolutely sublime try and the Brumbies lacked an answer. Chiefs have to favourites for the title.

Billy Tell

It's way too soon to call the Chiefs favourites. Too long to go in the season. As a Crusaders fan I was surprised at our attack vs the Lions. 
I think the title will fall (as usual) to a NZ side, Chiefs or Highlanders (if their key men stay fit) or Crusaders (If the backs can kick on). 
From watching super rugby I think NZ might cream Wales.

ploughboy

pocock citied for choking letich in maul

Crucial

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Billy Tell" data-cid="569481" data-time="1459625428">It's way too soon to call the Chiefs favourites. Too long to go in the season. As a Crusaders fan I was surprised at our attack vs the Lions. 
I think the title will fall (as usual) to a NZ side, Chiefs or Highlanders (if their key men stay fit) or Crusaders (If the backs can kick on). 
From watching super rugby I think NZ might cream Wales.</blockquote>
 
Way to early to call anything. Crusaders are very good. Chiefs are very good. Highlanders are good and have worked out how to continue winning. Hurricanes are good and a run will have them well in the game. Blues still haven't found what they're looking for.

Crucial

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="ploughboy" data-cid="569483" data-time="1459627515">pocock citied for choking letich in maul</blockquote>
 <a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/78495090/Brumbies-flanker-David-Pocock-cited-for-neck-grab-during-big-loss-to-Chiefs">http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/78495090/Brumbies-flanker-David-Pocock-cited-for-neck-grab-during-big-loss-to-Chiefs</a> 
About time this was clamped down on. Very dangerous play. 
In the clip you can see he must have had Leitch pretty tight around the neck as he is whacking at him to let go. Then when the maul twists and collapses it is bloody lucky that there wasn't a bad injury. 
This is about the only reason that collapsing a maul is dangerous. Because there are some horrible binds.

da_grubster

just the look on pococks face showed he was putting everything into it and he's clearly not weak!
 
fantastic win by the chiefs, great side to watch.

Crucial

Pity that the Pocock incident wasn't picked up during the game. The ref knew something had happened but then the replay he was shown wasn't even of the players concerned.
 
If it was in SA I would make the cynical accusation the the TV producer was being deliberately incompetent , but it was in Oz and the whole game looked like it was being done last minute by a team pissed off that they weren't at a Raiders game. Close up when there was need for wide shots and vice-versa.

bbarcs

Reckless is all. Pocock ain't malicious. I prefer seeing people banned for intent. 
Mann-Rea only got 1 week for punching Oli Kebble square in the face repeatedly.

Nepia

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Pity that the Pocock incident wasn't picked up during the game. The ref knew something had happened but then the replay he was shown wasn't even of the players concerned.
 
If it was in SA I would make the cynical accusation the the TV producer was being deliberately incompetent , but it was in Oz and the whole game looked like it was being done last minute by a team pissed off that they weren't at a Raiders game. Close up when there was need for wide shots and vice-versa.
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Did the ref ask for the replay? They were asking for a lot of stuff during the game and looked at least one other possible choking incident by the Brumbies - are they the Storm of rugby now?

Crazy Horse

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Reckless is all. Pocock ain't malicious. I prefer seeing people banned for intent. </blockquote>
 
Intent is pretty hard to prove without admissions. Pocock is getting a bit of history for 'reckless' acts...

Crucial

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Did the ref ask for the replay? They were asking for a lot of stuff during the game and looked at least one other possible choking incident by the Brumbies - are they the Storm of rugby now?
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They looked at one potential 'neck roll' as that is the foul play of focus at present. It wasn't worth pursuing.
 
If you can watch the clip in the link I posted, this was the incident when the ref asked the TMO to show the maul as Leitch had obviously been grabbed around the neck. They only showed on very brief shot which wasn't of Pocock or Leitch and decided there was nothing they could see. I think they will get marked down for missing it when all the clues were in front of them.

Crucial

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Reckless is all. Pocock ain't malicious. I prefer seeing people banned for intent. 
Mann-Rea only got 1 week for punching Oli Kebble square in the face repeatedly.
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Intent doesn't come into dangerous play at all for good reason. Judge the act then take intent into account in setting the punishment.

Gunner

Just seen the highlights reel. 
Classic chiefs tries. 
Don't believe in it myself, but that right there has gotta be what they're talking about when they talk about the game they play in heaven!

Nepia

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They looked at one potential 'neck roll' as that is the foul play of focus at present. It wasn't worth pursuing.
 
If you can watch the clip in the link I posted, this was the incident when the ref asked the TMO to show the maul as Leitch had obviously been grabbed around the neck. They only showed on very brief shot which wasn't of Pocock or Leitch and decided there was nothing they could see. I think they will get marked down for missing it when all the clues were in front of them.
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If they got a bad clip from the producers as you say, should they really get marked down for it? They must get some credit for noticing it? As much as he let the rucks become a free for all, and we were laying into him last night, I actually think he got better as the game went on - and he shouldn't get a black mark for something a bit out of his control, he can get his black marks for ignoring most of the laws of rucks.

Crucial

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If they got a bad clip from the producers as you say, should they really get marked down for it? They must get some credit for noticing it? As much as he let the rucks become a free for all, and we were laying into him last night, I actually think he got better as the game went on - and he shouldn't get a black mark for something a bit out of his control, he can get his black marks for ignoring most of the laws of rucks. 
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Both the ref and TMO were way to quick to move on. If he suspected something bad had happened, looked at the replay and didn't even see the player involved he should have asked if there was any shot showing white 8 in the maul.

Crucial

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Just seen the highlights reel. 
Classic chiefs tries. 
Don't believe in it myself, but that right there has gotta be what they're talking about when they talk about the game they play in heaven!
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If they can keep dishing up games like that I wouldn't even really care if they won the comp or not. Great entertainment.

ploughboy

cant see how you can grab someone around the neck and hold on for 10/ 15 seconds and not know what you are doing.this is not like a cleanout at a ruck (neck roll) but a attack on the neck/ head area in a maul

hydro11

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It's way too soon to call the Chiefs favourites. Too long to go in the season. As a Crusaders fan I was surprised at our attack vs the Lions. 
I think the title will fall (as usual) to a NZ side, Chiefs or Highlanders (if their key men stay fit) or Crusaders (If the backs can kick on). 
From watching super rugby I think NZ might cream Wales.
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Well, someone has to be favourites. If it isn't the Chiefs, then who? Crusaders and Highlanders do both look good. The only problem is if you don't top your conference then you probably have to go on a trip to South Africa.

hydro11

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Reckless is all. Pocock ain't malicious. I prefer seeing people banned for intent. 
Mann-Rea only got 1 week for punching Oli Kebble square in the face repeatedly.
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He grabs him around the neck and holds on for a good while. You can see Leitch is trying to get himself out of that situation.
 
Mann-Rea was also red carded at the time, which is taken into account.

Crucial

Actually, the more I watch it the more I think Pocock should (but won't) get a decent ban out of this.
 
He had to have known he had a player around the neck and was squeezing hard. The player was even whacking him him to tell him to let go. In a similar situation in a scrum players will even back off if they get a danger call.
 
He not only didn't let go he didn't even relax his hold as the situation got even more dangerous and the maul twisted and collapsed.

The Silver Fern

Brumbies v Chiefs