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I was empathetic and engaged in the show, and then it just went off on a tangent which the presenters themselves both corroborated and contradicted whilst painting a picture that poverty, lack of opportunity, and exposure to harmful pollution was a BAME only problem.
And as soon as they trotted out George Floyd and BLM the die was cast.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - UK:
It would be interesting to see a graph showing the correlation between Sweden, Norway and Finland.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Show on BBC1 last night
Why is Covid Killing People of Colour?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p097gzdcCentral theme was the British system and the NHS is systematically racist and is the reason for higher percentage of deaths amongst people of colour compared with their white counterparts.
During the show, Dr Guddi Singh stated that 95% of the deaths amongst doctors was of people with colour. She said that it can't be attributed to lack of opportunity, education, or wealth but failed to delve deeper.
I guess it didn't fit their 'hypothesis'
I just watched the 2 min clip ... it’s quite clear that Covid is racist.
Their use of statistics in that 2 min clip was worrying. As they misused them 3x that I counted.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
I was empathetic and engaged in the show, and then it just went off on a tangent which the presenters themselves both corroborated and contradicted whilst painting a picture that poverty, lack of opportunity, and exposure to harmful pollution was a BAME only problem.
And as soon as they trotted out George Floyd and BLM the die was cast.
I didn't see this show, but what utter bullshhh. Of course I can't say that though can I because "white privilege"!?
I'm getting really annoyed with this "issue".I just don't get it, BAME communities have poor uptake in the vaccine programme which is only going to become more of a problem down the line for them and for the nhs.
They are vulnerable for whatever reason, I personally think it's a social problem - larger families and extended families continuously mixing regardless of rules, I've seen this in my local community constantly, even doctors I work with have the attitude that there social/cultural influences are more important than the rules, like the rules don't apply to them. You would think this vulnerable set of people would jump at the chance to be vaccinated!
If vaccine passports are required there will be uproar about discrimination etc this is a no win all around.I actually wish we would just stop talking about what colour people are, we all have the same access to health care, we absolutely effing do, the nhs is literally a free for all, come on in from wherever you want we will give you an nhs number and we will look after you! We all have the same access to the vaccine so let's all be grown ups, follow the rules and the stats I want to know about are the uptake overall.
Let's stop the babying, if you don't want the vaccine regardless of your colour then don't have it. How much more encouragement can there be!?
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Show on BBC1 last night
Why is Covid Killing People of Colour?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p097gzdcCentral theme was the British system and the NHS is systematically racist and is the reason for higher percentage of deaths amongst people of colour compared with their white counterparts.
During the show, Dr Guddi Singh stated that 95% of the deaths amongst doctors was of people with colour. She said that it can't be attributed to lack of opportunity, education, or wealth but failed to delve deeper.
I guess it didn't fit their 'hypothesis'
Did anyone suggest they go to countries that are funded and run by BAME communities?
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Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.
Gets COVID, goes to hospital, recovers, in the process losing a shit load of weight.
Says he needed to and was most probably a factor in him getting COVID.
Studies coming out that obesity = fucked and he’s put all the lost weight back on and possibly more.
FFS
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.
Gets COVID, goes to hospital, recovers, in the process losing a shit load of weight.
Says he needed to and was most probably a factor in him getting COVID.
Studies coming out that obesity = fucked and he’s put all the lost weight back on and possibly more.
FFS
Totally agree @MiketheSnow , you'll probably rage as much as I did reading this then....apparently we're promoting a "toxic atmosphere of glee"
Fat-shamers have felt enabled by Covid, and it's hard to fight back
Zoe WilliamsI cannot stand the toxic atmosphere of glee around the link between coronavirus and obesity
Boris Johnson … ‘It’s all right for you thinnies.’
It is not news that there is a connection between Covid mortality rates and a country’s obesity level. It may have been confirmed for the first time last week by the World Obesity Forum, but this has been a word-of-mouth truism since the start. Someone always knew a man whose brother-in-law worked in intensive care and said only obese people suffered seriously. “I weigh myself every morning, to check that I am still just overweight,” said a friend with one of these brothers-in-law.
Then Boris Johnson set this in stone, whining to his cabinet: “It’s all right for you thinnies.” It is not a word, is it, “thinnie”? Nor is “gloomster”. Sometimes, I think that is the summit of the prime minister’s arrogance – that he finds the English language incomplete without the interjection of his baby words. At other times, I think his arrogance is more like the mountain in a Japanese etching: there is no “top”, there is only “more” and “cloud”.
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What I cannot stand is the atmosphere of glee around the link to obesity; for a lot of people, the world makes sense again. It is not a tragedy, it is just those less important people. It is not the cruel and random hand of fate, it is a sound moral outcome – undisciplined people who had it coming got it. Obesity is the magic bullet: it conjures a fairytale world in which bad things happen only to bad people. The more negative outcome you can attach to overeating, the fairer you have made your tiny world.Fat-shaming never owns its agenda, it just raises its eyebrows and uses nebulous connectives such as “well”. It says: “Nobody has died in Vietnam” (cue more eyebrows, perhaps some meaningful nodding). It says, resignedly: “Well, we are an obese, ageing society,” using “society” as a fig leaf, to sound like “all of us”, when it really means “those people”.
And because it never speaks its name, the fat-hate, you can never argue against it. You sound crazy. Tilting at windmills. A dog trying to attack a fly through a window. Is it even a fly, or is it all in my head? No, I am pretty sure there is a noise – disapproval, snobbery, judgment, a constant, wordless buzz. I just haven’t figured out how to open the window.
Zoe Williams is a Guardian columnist
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.
Gets COVID, goes to hospital, recovers, in the process losing a shit load of weight.
Says he needed to and was most probably a factor in him getting COVID.
Studies coming out that obesity = fucked and he’s put all the lost weight back on and possibly more.
FFS
Has he put the weight back on? He still looks a lot thinner in the face to me.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.I read he'd lost a lot of weight, Mike - 10kg IIRC - and is still losing it. He used to run a fair bit before he got Covid so I guess fitness is less of a protection than we think?
Yeah, he has an appalling dress sense but wonder if that's part of his charm. Or a carefully made image.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.I read he'd lost a lot of weight, Mike - 10kg IIRC - and is still losing it. He used to run a fair bit before he got Covid so I guess fitness is less of a protection than we think?
Yeah, he has an appalling dress sense but wonder if that's part of his charm. Or a carefully made image.
I know a few people that absolutely love him which a lot is based on his image of the bumbling slightly out there British fool (who isn't).
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.I read he'd lost a lot of weight, Mike - 10kg IIRC - and is still losing it. He used to run a fair bit before he got Covid so I guess fitness is less of a protection than we think?
Yeah, he has an appalling dress sense but wonder if that's part of his charm. Or a carefully made image.
I know a few people that absolutely love him which a lot is based on his image of the bumbling slightly out there British fool (who isn't).
I like the fact he's not a production-line robot politician. Reserving judgement on much else.
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
Fat-shamers have felt enabled by Covid, and it's hard to fight back
Zoe WilliamsI cannot stand the toxic atmosphere of glee around the link between coronavirus and obesity
Boris Johnson … ‘It’s all right for you thinnies.’
It is not news that there is a connection between Covid mortality rates and a country’s obesity level. It may have been confirmed for the first time last week by the World Obesity Forum, but this has been a word-of-mouth truism since the start. Someone always knew a man whose brother-in-law worked in intensive care and said only obese people suffered seriously. “I weigh myself every morning, to check that I am still just overweight,” said a friend with one of these brothers-in-law.
Then Boris Johnson set this in stone, whining to his cabinet: “It’s all right for you thinnies.” It is not a word, is it, “thinnie”? Nor is “gloomster”. Sometimes, I think that is the summit of the prime minister’s arrogance – that he finds the English language incomplete without the interjection of his baby words. At other times, I think his arrogance is more like the mountain in a Japanese etching: there is no “top”, there is only “more” and “cloud”.
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What I cannot stand is the atmosphere of glee around the link to obesity; for a lot of people, the world makes sense again. It is not a tragedy, it is just those less important people. It is not the cruel and random hand of fate, it is a sound moral outcome – undisciplined people who had it coming got it. Obesity is the magic bullet: it conjures a fairytale world in which bad things happen only to bad people. The more negative outcome you can attach to overeating, the fairer you have made your tiny world.Fat-shaming never owns its agenda, it just raises its eyebrows and uses nebulous connectives such as “well”. It says: “Nobody has died in Vietnam” (cue more eyebrows, perhaps some meaningful nodding). It says, resignedly: “Well, we are an obese, ageing society,” using “society” as a fig leaf, to sound like “all of us”, when it really means “those people”.
And because it never speaks its name, the fat-hate, you can never argue against it. You sound crazy. Tilting at windmills. A dog trying to attack a fly through a window. Is it even a fly, or is it all in my head? No, I am pretty sure there is a noise – disapproval, snobbery, judgment, a constant, wordless buzz. I just haven’t figured out how to open the window.
Zoe Williams is a Guardian columnist
I'm sure a few people will wholly agree with this. But I am not one of them.
I wouldn't say I share glee, but I'm appreciative of Boris for highlighting this out, as I feel that news / coverage / commentary on obese people has simply not been for the greater good of the public. Reality is that if you are obese you are much likely to have both mental and physical health issues, suffer greatly from Covid, live a shorter life & ultimately end up as a tax payer drain. That's not me being heartless, that just facts and as Ben Shapiro rightly says, facts don't care about your feelings.
But yet, if you pick up a womans mag these days, your likely to see all sort of body beautiful, I'm fab the way I am crap by obese people. Everybody deserves to the right to be happy, confident and content with their lifestyles (which don't affect others) but I disagree that things which are blatantly unhealthy should be pushed in any way as being healthy. It's jut not true. You can't advertise cigarettes anymore, alcohol advertisments are strictly regulated for these reasons. Why is obesity & obesity causes given a free ride on this?
Sorry if this seems heartless, but I have a 44 year old close relative whose had large mental health issues & recently commenced the serious physical health issues due to her obesity. People don't find glee in being proven right on this - they were always right and everybody knew it. People find a sense a relief that perhaps finally, seriously fucking finally, people at the top level are acknowledging this and looking for ways to reduce the other pandemic going on
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Excellent post, mate. Think you nailed the issue.
But I do wonder what the solution is, other than food rationing.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.I read he'd lost a lot of weight, Mike - 10kg IIRC - and is still losing it. He used to run a fair bit before he got Covid so I guess fitness is less of a protection than we think?
Yeah, he has an appalling dress sense but wonder if that's part of his charm. Or a carefully made image.
Did you se his neck and jowls?
if that's losing 10kg he was lucky to live when he was 10kg heavier.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@tewaio said in Coronavirus - UK:
People don't find glee in being proven right on this - they were always right and everybody knew it. People find a sense a relief that perhaps finally, seriously fucking finally, people at the top level are acknowledging this and looking for ways to reduce the other pandemic going on
This 1 million %
Unfortunately when the decision makers and the health professionals are part pf the problem not the solution, I'm not overly optimistic that much will change.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Just seen Boris on the 10pm news
Once you get past that he looks like a slob you see that he’s a fat slob.I read he'd lost a lot of weight, Mike - 10kg IIRC - and is still losing it. He used to run a fair bit before he got Covid so I guess fitness is less of a protection than we think?
Yeah, he has an appalling dress sense but wonder if that's part of his charm. Or a carefully made image.
Did you se his neck and jowls?
if that's losing 10kg he was lucky to live when he was 10kg heavier
Before and after. Def uber-porky when he got covid.
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Anyway in positive news, kids back to school today, numbers the lowest the have been since September & vaccine roll out continues ...
Tough old slog in the UK continues, on what should have been a landmark day for the country, all everybody is talking about is those two now in California.
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@r-l said in Coronavirus - UK:
@tewaio how are you now? Recovered?
That's very kind of you to ask, thank you
I had about two days of the extreme fatigue and breathlessness, then steadily felt less and less tired for the remaining 6 days in isolation. All in all I stayed in a bedroom for 8 days. I was completely separated from wife and child, meals left outside the door etc. Both of them never got it (3x negative tests) which was great.
Since getting out last Friday I've struggled to work full days (from home) without needing a lie down. I went for a gentle walk on Sunday and my heart rate hit 170, which is a concern, normal max for me is 190. I was pretty fit going into this (I'm 33), but that doesn't seem to have helped much. I think I'll take an entire month off exercise, as I've read that's the best way to prevent long covid, although not much concrete is really known about it.
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