World Test Championship
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@MN5 said in World Test Championship:
Kallis does get a bit forgotten but I'd still say he's South Africas greatest cricketer. One of the very best batsman of all time with the bowling ability of......say Chris Martin thrown in too.
Hadlee rated Clive Rice as the best all-rounder of his era. It's just unfortunate that Rice's career was restricted to first class cricket.
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@scribe said in World Test Championship:
The Root LBW decision in the last over of the day was an absolute shocker. More plumb than a plumby thing. How DRS contrived that outcome I do not know. Even Root was wearing a sheepish grin afterwards.
Generally they have done a good job sorting out DRS. The remaining problems are always down to 'umpires call'.
It just creates inconsistency. If the ump says 'out' and the bat refers then umps call decisions go against the bat yet if the bowler refers a howler the exact same information produces the opposite result.
DRS is there to enhance the umpiring not to say 'too hard to tell, let's go back to the decision that caused players to question the correctness'.
What happened to the 'half the ball on tracking' concept. That had faults too but not as bad as when 3/4s of the ball shows as probably hitting (or in line) and the decision goes back to the ump. -
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@Bovidae said in World Test Championship:
@MN5 said in World Test Championship:
Kallis does get a bit forgotten but I'd still say he's South Africas greatest cricketer. One of the very best batsman of all time with the bowling ability of......say Chris Martin thrown in too.
Hadlee rated Clive Rice as the best all-rounder of his era. It's just unfortunate that Rice's career was restricted to first class cricket.
This bloke was a handy South African too.....batting and bowling of 36 and 19 at first class level. Brilliant.
Ravi Jadeja has a funny old career, a more than worthy batting average of 36 but just the one century in 51 tests ? an absolutely world class return of 220 wickets at 24 as a spinner but if his first class batting average ( 47 ) was his test average would he be regarded as the GOAT as an all rounder ?
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@Crucial said in World Test Championship:
@scribe said in World Test Championship:
The Root LBW decision in the last over of the day was an absolute shocker. More plumb than a plumby thing. How DRS contrived that outcome I do not know. Even Root was wearing a sheepish grin afterwards.
Generally they have done a good job sorting out DRS. The remaining problems are always down to 'umpires call'.
It just creates inconsistency. If the ump says 'out' and the bat refers then umps call decisions go against the bat yet if the bowler refers a howler the exact same information produces the opposite result.
DRS is there to enhance the umpiring not to say 'too hard to tell, let's go back to the decision that caused players to question the correctness'.
What happened to the 'half the ball on tracking' concept. That had faults too but not as bad as when 3/4s of the ball shows as probably hitting (or in line) and the decision goes back to the ump.Is this still the case? I thought a change had been made that reduces the scope of umpires call, exactly what you described. 3/4s of the ball hitting is no longer umpires call, as it was originally, that is now over-ruled and goes with the technology. Correct?
(I haven't seen the Root DRS yet)
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@MN5No - he didn't. A bit of poetic license.
But in the second half of his career (43 tests) Paddles averaged 32.3 with the bat and 19.6 with the ball.
About the same power ranking as Beefy Mk 1.
Paddles possibly suffered ( relatively speaking ) by having a bit of a wild and crazy start to his test career before he shortened the run and became the sultan of swing that we all know.
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@Rapido said in World Test Championship:
@Crucial said in World Test Championship:
@scribe said in World Test Championship:
The Root LBW decision in the last over of the day was an absolute shocker. More plumb than a plumby thing. How DRS contrived that outcome I do not know. Even Root was wearing a sheepish grin afterwards.
Generally they have done a good job sorting out DRS. The remaining problems are always down to 'umpires call'.
It just creates inconsistency. If the ump says 'out' and the bat refers then umps call decisions go against the bat yet if the bowler refers a howler the exact same information produces the opposite result.
DRS is there to enhance the umpiring not to say 'too hard to tell, let's go back to the decision that caused players to question the correctness'.
What happened to the 'half the ball on tracking' concept. That had faults too but not as bad as when 3/4s of the ball shows as probably hitting (or in line) and the decision goes back to the ump.Is this still the case? I thought a change had been made that reduces the scope of umpires call, exactly what you described. 3/4s of the ball hitting is no longer umpires call, as it was originally, that is now over-ruled and goes with the technology. Correct?
(I haven't seen the Root DRS yet)
This series is so fascinating to watch from the comfort of knowing our team is already in the final.
Surely India can't fuck up from here.
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No, maybe I'm wrong?
Umpires call
Impact. (if playing a shot): Some part of the ball was inside the Impact Zone, but the centre of the ball
was outside the Impact Zone.Hitting: The ball was hitting the wicket, but the centre of the ball was not inside the
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@Rapido said in World Test Championship:
No, maybe I'm wrong?
Umpires call
Impact. (if playing a shot): Some part of the ball was inside the Impact Zone, but the centre of the ball
was outside the Impact Zone.Hitting: The ball was hitting the wicket, but the centre of the ball was not inside the
Wicket ZoneIn the Root case, I (along with the commentators) could see the off stump at the point the ball hit the pad.
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@scribe said in World Test Championship:
@Rapido said in World Test Championship:
No, maybe I'm wrong?
Umpires call
Impact. (if playing a shot): Some part of the ball was inside the Impact Zone, but the centre of the ball
was outside the Impact Zone.Hitting: The ball was hitting the wicket, but the centre of the ball was not inside the
Wicket ZoneIn the Root case, I (along with the commentators) could see the off stump at the point the ball hit the pad.
So it is actually a 50% rule. That's ok then but quite obviously then only positive errors from ball tracking help bowlers while negative errors help bats.
Take Kohli's referral last night. Looked like going over the top (jumped on him) and an umpiring error, yet ball tracking flattened the trajectory and had only about 25% of the ball clipping the bail. Decision went against the batsman when the error could just have easily been the other way. -
If "benefit of the doubt goes to the batsman" is still a thing, I'd change umpire's call to not out, but the review is retained. Since that's in the batting team's favour, perhaps their reviews could be reduced to 2, while the bowling team still has 3.
Botham was clearly great for at least part of his career, he was the world record holder for most test wickets before Hadlee. Very much a career of two halves as others have said.
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@Stockcar86 Note to the Lords groundskeeper.
Something green and seaming will probably suit us quite nicely!
aaaahhh, have you seen their pace attack? Bumrah on a seamer will be fucking lethal
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@mariner4life True - but, so will our guys be - and I think our batsmen are better equipped to play it.
What we don't want is something spin friendly where we are matching Satnav against Ashwin and Jadeja.
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@mariner4life True - but, so will our guys be - and I think our batsmen are better equipped to play it.
What we don't want is something spin friendly where we are matching Satnav against Ashwin and Jadeja.
Holy shit that’s a ghastly thought.
If we’re ever getting cocky and overconfident I’ll refer back to this post.
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@Godder said in World Test Championship:
If "benefit of the doubt goes to the batsman" is still a thing, I'd change umpire's call to not out, but the review is retained. Since that's in the batting team's favour, perhaps their reviews could be reduced to 2, while the bowling team still has 3.
Botham was clearly great for at least part of his career, he was the world record holder for most test wickets before Hadlee. Very much a career of two halves as others have said.
Beefys overall career stats are pretty similar to fern favourite Chris Cairns.....he probably should have retired about 50 tests before he did. All Rounders lifting for an Ashes series certainly does wonders for their legacy.....see Andrew Flintoff but don’t see Shane Watson.
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@mariner4life True - but, so will our guys be - and I think our batsmen are better equipped to play it.
What we don't want is something spin friendly where we are matching Satnav against Ashwin and Jadeja.
Yeah agree completely. In the past I would say it would level the playing field a bit and give our bowlers a chance to get their superior batting lineup out, but that's not the case anymore. It's just about the teams strengths and they have a very clear advantage in spin that we don't want them to be able to exploit.
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@No-Quarter said in World Test Championship:
@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@mariner4life True - but, so will our guys be - and I think our batsmen are better equipped to play it.
What we don't want is something spin friendly where we are matching Satnav against Ashwin and Jadeja.
Yeah agree completely. In the past I would say it would level the playing field a bit and give our bowlers a chance to get their superior batting lineup out, but that's not the case anymore. It's just about the teams strengths and they have a very clear advantage in spin that we don't want them to be able to exploit.
We want the kind of similar conditions to home that England can provide. Greener wickets with significant assistance to quick and swing bowling
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@Chris-B said in World Test Championship:
@MN5 What's Lords like these days?
Back in the '80s, Middlesex used to field Emburey and Edmonds on their home ground.
A bit earlier they had Fred Titmus - and a bit later Phil Tuffnell.
Some of those guys don’t make Santner look too bad actually
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