Best Test XI - POLL - Batsmen
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@booboo said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
John R Reid anyone?
One of the best players of his era and one of our greatest, but not too sure he'd keep the likes of Crowe, Kane etc out of the best Test XI however.
> Would be one of my first names in any limited over best XI, though - even if he was just before limited over cricket arrived.
This all makes perfect and logical sense
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@Gunner said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Snowy sheesh, it seems I shouldn’t have gone off grid playing golf today. All hell has broken loose.
You're like Wayne Barnes, just go missing for large parts of the match and let the players do whatever they like.
It seems that I did have the rules basically correct though.
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This all makes perfect and logical sense
Generally accepted that his style of play would have made him a star in the shorter formats.
In some ways he was a cricketer before his time. ODI and T20 cricket would have been his forte: an attacking batsmen also capable of playing long, retrenching innings; an attacking bowler with many variations, getting through his overs quickly, always in the batsman’s face; an astute and forthright captain; a superb fielder, ready to take the gloves if the keeper was injured. He’d have loved the IPL, and the crowds would have loved him.
John Reid: A player ahead of his time & the backbone of New Zealand cricket
John Richard Reid, who died against 92 on Wednesday, was a crucial figure in establishing New Zealand as a cricketing force. Rod Edmond pays tribute to a player ahead of his time, and looks back at a career that traversed many roles in cricket.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
This all makes perfect and logical sense
Generally accepted that his style of play would have made him a star in the shorter formats.
In some ways he was a cricketer before his time. ODI and T20 cricket would have been his forte: an attacking batsmen also capable of playing long, retrenching innings; an attacking bowler with many variations, getting through his overs quickly, always in the batsman’s face; an astute and forthright captain; a superb fielder, ready to take the gloves if the keeper was injured. He’d have loved the IPL, and the crowds would have loved him.
John Reid: A player ahead of his time & the backbone of New Zealand cricket
John Richard Reid, who died against 92 on Wednesday, was a crucial figure in establishing New Zealand as a cricketing force. Rod Edmond pays tribute to a player ahead of his time, and looks back at a career that traversed many roles in cricket.
I'm certainly not doubting any of what is being said but you'd be pretty brave to pick him ahead of any of our recent stars.
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Always wondered what the other John Reid (J F) would have achieved is he hadn't given up the game.
A Test average of 46 and 6 Tons in 19 Tests is pretty impressive.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Always wondered what the other John Reid (J F) would have achieved is he hadn't given up the game.
A Test average of 46 and 6 Tons in 19 Tests is pretty impressive.
Impossible to say.
I remember Mark Greatbatch started with a hiss and a roar but retired with an average of 30.
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@dogmeat said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@Gunner said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
the 4 batters are our 4 best batters
I thought we were picking the Black Caps not the Black Sox
Probably best a discussion for the Grumpy Old Man thread...
Batspersons
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Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outs -
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outsDang forgot about opening bat thread. And Ryder was just to make the post worthwhile. Make of it what you will.
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@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outsDang forgot about opening bat thread. And Ryder was just to make the post worthwhile. Make of it what you will.
Career was too short and whilst I believe if he’d made a go of it he had the talent to surpass Rossco he chose not to.
Forget him.
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outsDang forgot about opening bat thread. And Ryder was just to make the post worthwhile. Make of it what you will.
Career was too short and whilst I believe if he’d made a go of it he had the talent to surpass Rossco he chose not to.
Forget him.
at his peak, though, he was exceptional. Smoking 150km/h over the boundaries and giggling at the bowlers. Loved him to bits, but self destructed.
if we can have peak bond, we can have peak Ryder
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How serious are ppl about players batting at (or even close) to their main batting position/ position of success?
Because at 6 for example (if I understand how to use ESPN stats), Watling (ave. 46) and Coney (ave 45) lead the averages at that position for players with more than 10 matches.
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@nzzp said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outsDang forgot about opening bat thread. And Ryder was just to make the post worthwhile. Make of it what you will.
Career was too short and whilst I believe if he’d made a go of it he had the talent to surpass Rossco he chose not to.
Forget him.
at his peak, though, he was exceptional. Smoking 150km/h over the boundaries and giggling at the bowlers. Loved him to bits, but self destructed.
if we can have peak bond, we can have peak Ryder
I loved him and went in to bat for him on here on numerous occasions when some were having a go about his weight and piss drinking.
But Bond was a much more dominant player in his 18 tests than Jesse boy.
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@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outsDang forgot about opening bat thread. And Ryder was just to make the post worthwhile. Make of it what you will.
Career was too short and whilst I believe if he’d made a go of it he had the talent to surpass Rossco he chose not to.
Forget him.
at his peak, though, he was exceptional. Smoking 150km/h over the boundaries and giggling at the bowlers. Loved him to bits, but self destructed.
if we can have peak bond, we can have peak Ryder
I loved him and went in to bat for him on here on numerous occasions when some were having a go about his weight and piss drinking.
But Bond was a much more dominant player in his 18 tests than Jesse boy.
ironically, Ryder played 18 tests.
Scored big against india - including a hundred and a double hundred over there. Didn't fare well in AUs, and shat the bed against pakistan in his last series.
I loved him to bits ... but probably right, not quite in the top echelon
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@nzzp said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outsDang forgot about opening bat thread. And Ryder was just to make the post worthwhile. Make of it what you will.
Career was too short and whilst I believe if he’d made a go of it he had the talent to surpass Rossco he chose not to.
Forget him.
at his peak, though, he was exceptional. Smoking 150km/h over the boundaries and giggling at the bowlers. Loved him to bits, but self destructed.
if we can have peak bond, we can have peak Ryder
I loved him and went in to bat for him on here on numerous occasions when some were having a go about his weight and piss drinking.
But Bond was a much more dominant player in his 18 tests than Jesse boy.
ironically, Ryder played 18 tests.
Scored big against india - including a hundred and a double hundred over there. Didn't fare well in AUs, and shat the bed against pakistan in his last series.
I loved him to bits ... but probably right, not quite in the top echelon
The thought of him coming in fully focussed and fired up at five in a test line up behind KW and Rossco had me frothing. He was beautiful to watch. Nicholls has made a fine fist of it but I don't think he would have kept a teetotal and fit Jesse out of the team.
A real shame he had his demons.
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@nzzp said in Best Test XI - POLL - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@nzzp said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@MN5 said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
@delicatessen said in Best Test XI - NOMINATIONS - Batsmen:
Let's whack Sutcliffe in there.
And Mr Ryder. Better average than a lot of those nominated with only 2 not outsDang forgot about opening bat thread. And Ryder was just to make the post worthwhile. Make of it what you will.
Career was too short and whilst I believe if he’d made a go of it he had the talent to surpass Rossco he chose not to.
Forget him.
at his peak, though, he was exceptional. Smoking 150km/h over the boundaries and giggling at the bowlers. Loved him to bits, but self destructed.
if we can have peak bond, we can have peak Ryder
I loved him and went in to bat for him on here on numerous occasions when some were having a go about his weight and piss drinking.
But Bond was a much more dominant player in his 18 tests than Jesse boy.
ironically, Ryder played 18 tests.
Scored big against india - including a hundred and a double hundred over there. Didn't fare well in AUs, and shat the bed against pakistan in his last series.
I loved him to bits ... but probably right, not quite in the top echelon
Depending on how you measure the stats (minimum matches /innings) he is way out in front batting at 5 (11 matches there, average of 50)
Next is McCullum, who when not keeping averaged 49 at 5 - that’s pretty good. He had 21 innings there too.
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A quick look at the stats shows that for players with more than 10 matches batting between 4-7 (and not keeping), McCullum has the highest average - just ahead of both Crowe and Taylor.
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