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@Crucial and keep fruit/veges at a reasonable cost level...lose-lose situation.
I think I read NZ Supermarkets are some of the only ones in the world that dont use milk as a loss leader, hence why our prices are some of the highest in the world.
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@taniwharugby for a strong dairy/agriculture producing nation, we pay ridiculous prices for milk, meat, and fruit/veg. And they export the best quality. So quite often its super high price for crap.
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby for a strong dairy/agriculture producing nation, we pay ridiculous prices for milk, meat, and fruit/veg. And they export the best quality. So quite often its super high price for crap.
Agree, but what can you do besides price control. The market is established at a point where dropping the price won't really increase sales so there is no incentive there. We pay it because we are used to paying it and that suits the suppliers .
Any control on the supermarkets will just shift the problem down the chain. I'm not against producers getting a fair price either but without some kind of equal/fair spread along the whole chain the consumer won't see benefits.
The thing that really pisses me off is the supermarket model that has developed where the likes of foodstuffs take cuts at every step. They charge suppliers to pass the goods through their warehouses, then through their distribution transport, then whacks them with the cost of doing a 'special'. The producer is only getting the same as they are exporting (maybe even less) but the consumer ends up lining the pockets of the supermarkets. -
@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby for a strong dairy/agriculture producing nation, we pay ridiculous prices for milk, meat, and fruit/veg. And they export the best quality. So quite often its super high price for crap.
Agree, but what can you do besides price control. The market is established at a point where dropping the price won't really increase sales so there is no incentive there. We pay it because we are used to paying it and that suits the suppliers .
Any control on the supermarkets will just shift the problem down the chain. I'm not against producers getting a fair price either but without some kind of equal/fair spread along the whole chain the consumer won't see benefits.
The thing that really pisses me off is the supermarket model that has developed where the likes of foodstuffs take cuts at every step. They charge suppliers to pass the goods through their warehouses, then through their distribution transport, then whacks them with the cost of doing a 'special'. The producer is only getting the same as they are exporting (maybe even less) but the consumer ends up lining the pockets of the supermarkets.Easier said than done, but the only thing we can do as individual consumers is to shop elsewhere, ie your local butcher, fruitstore etc
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wasnt there somehting similar with Power Companies, how'd that turn out, discounts all round...
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
asier said than done, but the only thing we can do as individual consumers is to shop elsewhere, ie your local butcher, fruitstore etc
Yep. I get alot of our fruit and vege from road side stalls or from the our own garden. All of it spray free, most of it effectively organic. We are lucky to have that avialable but @crucial is right the supermarket supply chain is pretty fucked up.
The last government was trying to stop small sales of produce and even people swapping it IIRC.
Conspiracy theory - how much do Foodstuffs and Progressive enterprises / Woolworths pour into our politcal parties? How much lobbying? Even the Covid - "only supermarkets" can sell food (of which there are two) seemed unfair to the butchers, bakers and greengrocers.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
asier said than done, but the only thing we can do as individual consumers is to shop elsewhere, ie your local butcher, fruitstore etc
Yep. I get alot of our fruit and vege from road side stalls or from the our own garden. All of it spray free, most of it effectively organic. We are lucky to have that avialable but @crucial is right the supermarket supply chain is pretty fucked up.
The last government was trying to stop small sales of produce and even people swapping it IIRC.
Conspiracy theory - how much do Foodstuffs and Progressive enterprises / Woolworths pour into our politcal parties? How much lobbying? Even the Covid - "only supermarkets" can sell food (of which there are two) seemed unfair to the butchers, bakers and greengrocers.
It never made sense that independents couldn't do food deliveries or click and collect
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Local politics - some things that were being whispered about three years ago are starting to be said more publicly. Sad if true.
The report said Shadbolt’s difficulties were becoming increasingly apparent, and it notes that “three southern mayors” contacted Thomson, raising concerns about Shadbolt
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@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
Local politics - some things that were being whispered about three years ago are starting to be said more publicly. Sad if true.
The report said Shadbolt’s difficulties were becoming increasingly apparent, and it notes that “three southern mayors” contacted Thomson, raising concerns about Shadbolt
A legend of the area but that status goes down the toilet the longer he stays. Time to retire, Tim
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In the true fern manner I've not read the article but I can't take seriously any person, let alone a politician, wearing a fucking cowboy hat. This ain't the Americas, so put it away.
He's talking about colonial ways whilst wearing one of the major symbols of a time of some of the worst oppression of indigenous people ever
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Machpants cultural appropriation?
Hell yeah. I wanna be part of the people who committed genocide on American Indians!
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Leaving aside millinery preferences I have heard the maiden speeches of Waititi and Ngarewa-Packer and I would say they are going to be a force in the house this term. Not in respect of enabling legislation but as activists.
I think their positions are quite radical and uncompromising but I am effectively symbolic of what they are railing against so I guess I would.
It's a fundamental change from the consensus politics of Tariana Turia and Pita Sharples and will, I think, go down very well with their constituency. Labour's hold on the other Maori seats suddenly looks less secure.
Certainly they are bringing a bit of colour (no pun intended) to the debating chamber with traditional whaikōrero speaking from personal experiences. The waiata from the galley was effective too.
I think they will also be an effective voice in opposition which should help keep things interesting
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@dogmeat I agree, he said they would be a stone in the show, and I think that is correct. However they are very much not representing all Maori, otherwise they would have a lot more seats. Maybe next election if they keep makng headlines, which they will.
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@Machpants said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat I agree, he said they would be a stone in the show, and I think that is correct. However they are very much not representing all Maori, otherwise they would have a lot more seats. Maybe next election if they keep makng headlines, which they will.
keeping the enthusiasm up is hard, though, without acheiving. They need to keep getting headlines and wins ... otherwise parliament can be a difficult, boring, soul destroying place (based on outside perspective)
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@Hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@Donsteppa said in NZ Politics:
Local politics - some things that were being whispered about three years ago are starting to be said more publicly. Sad if true.
The report said Shadbolt’s difficulties were becoming increasingly apparent, and it notes that “three southern mayors” contacted Thomson, raising concerns about Shadbolt
A legend of the area but that status goes down the toilet the longer he stays. Time to retire, Tim
It's becoming sad. There's no shame in getting old and a bit past it, but hanging on when that happens is tarnishing a proud record. This is also a good advertisement for why term limits can be a good idea.
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This guy sounds like a ball of fun.
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@Billy-Tell said in NZ Politics:
This guy sounds like a ball of fun.
It reminds me of the saying "anybody that wants to be a politician should automatically be banned form being one".
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