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@dogmeat said in Modern batting averages:
@Godder apply those same criteria to NZ and we only have three above 40 Richardson 43.27 , Crowe 42.19 and Williamson 41.25
Only nine others make it over 35 - Turner, Ryder, Latham, Jones, McCullum, Taylor, J F Reid, Wright, Fleming.
Mind you the likes of Laxman, Stackpole, Bell, Stokes, Stewart, Chanderpaul don't even get to 35!
Rigor is our GOAT !!!!! That'll piss off a bunch of snowflakes.
KW, for shame
but seriously, it's one of those 'intangibles'......I'd say Adam Gilchrist as one example smashed some quick unbeaten runs against a demoralised attack on numerous occasions and padded the average....but Hayden up top averaged more blunting the attack with statistically far less chance of a not out.
Chanderpaul was obviously bloody careful ( as I remember him with his strange stance )....that's a massive drop of over 15 runs !
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Sangakkara is a genuine great who is easily forgotten for whatever reason. Even more so when he hung up the gloves.
I like Kumar, but I can't say he ever really excited me. You didn't stop what you were doing because you heard Sangakkara had come to the crease.
A great cricketer, fantastic career, amazing numbers but missing a bit of X-factor IMO.
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@barbarian said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
Sangakkara is a genuine great who is easily forgotten for whatever reason. Even more so when he hung up the gloves.
I like Kumar, but I can't say he ever really excited me. You didn't stop what you were doing because you heard Sangakkara had come to the crease.
A great cricketer, fantastic career, amazing numbers but missing a bit of X-factor IMO.
yeah but you could say the same about Kallis, Border, S Waugh, Dravid......all undoubted greats but none particularly thrilling to watch.
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Did Don Bradman’s cricketing genius make him a statistical outlier? - Significance magazine
The test career batting average of Australian cricketer Sir Donald Bradman of 99.94 runs per innings is one of the most famous and iconic sporting performance statistics in history. Bradman...
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@NTA said in Modern batting averages:
Did Don Bradman’s cricketing genius make him a statistical outlier? - Significance magazine
The test career batting average of Australian cricketer Sir Donald Bradman of 99.94 runs per innings is one of the most famous and iconic sporting performance statistics in history. Bradman...
I like it when nerds back up shit I’m trying to say with graphs and shit
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@barbarian I’m in the Ricky Ponting camp when it comes to better quality batsman than Smith.
Maybe one for the grumpy old man thread, but watching Smith bat is annoying and so I tend to switch off. Punter on the other hand was almost effortless (not quite as much as Mark Waugh). So Punter has both the stats and form.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
yeah but you could say the same about Kallis, Border, S Waugh, Dravid......all undoubted greats but none particularly thrilling to watch.
Speak for yourself this innings from Dravid was one of the more thrilling I've seen in person.
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Smith is a bit of an outlier rating him against other Aussie batsman - I'm not sure whether he is a scrapper or a natural. He has way more fight in him than other naturals (Ponting, Gilchrist), but a lot more flair than some of the other scrappers (Waugh, Border etc).
Like ACT I don't enjoy watching him bat but how much of that is his technique and how much of it is that he produces runs for Australia with annoying regularity I'm not sure. He is special though.
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@rotated said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
yeah but you could say the same about Kallis, Border, S Waugh, Dravid......all undoubted greats but none particularly thrilling to watch.
Speak for yourself this innings from Dravid was one of the more thrilling I've seen in person.
I’m fairly sure during a Boxing Day test some years back I fell asleep when Dravid was on 3 not out and woke up about 45 minute later ( on of those classic old man on the couch sleeps, snoring loudly and dribble everywhere ) and his score was unchanged.
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
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@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
To bat for my life on a good day I'd take Canterbury legend Rahul Dravid... on a bad one Chris Martin looks like a good option.
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@rotated said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
To bat for my life on a good day I'd take Canterbury legend Rahul Dravid... on a bad one Chris Martin looks like a good option.
it's a really good question that goes past averages, and brings in those mentally tough folk who just refuse to be beaten.
SWaugh was up there for me. Remarkable player, and the mental strength to lead a team to a new place was fantastic
on the players I'd pay to watch bat, there's Tendulkar, Lara, RIchards (by reputation) and Sehwag. Arguably Chris Martin makes the list as well ... not there for a long time
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@nzzp said in Modern batting averages:
@rotated said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
To bat for my life on a good day I'd take Canterbury legend Rahul Dravid... on a bad one Chris Martin looks like a good option.
it's a really good question that goes past averages, and brings in those mentally tough folk who just refuse to be beaten.
SWaugh was up there for me. Remarkable player, and the mental strength to lead a team to a new place was fantastic
on the players I'd pay to watch bat, there's Tendulkar, Lara, RIchards (by reputation) and Sehwag. Arguably Chris Martin makes the list as well ... not there for a long time
Even a guy like Mike Atherton and our very own pairing of John Wright and Bruce Edgar deserve a mention for this.
I remember reading about Jeff Thomson sledging Edgar and telling him ‘he’ll never die of a stroke’ after he continually blocked or left every delivery.
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@nzzp said in Modern batting averages:
@rotated said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
To bat for my life on a good day I'd take Canterbury legend Rahul Dravid... on a bad one Chris Martin looks like a good option.
it's a really good question that goes past averages, and brings in those mentally tough folk who just refuse to be beaten.
SWaugh was up there for me. Remarkable player, and the mental strength to lead a team to a new place was fantastic
on the players I'd pay to watch bat, there's Tendulkar, Lara, RIchards (by reputation) and Sehwag. Arguably Chris Martin makes the list as well ... not there for a long time
Saw both these guys, in the flesh, make a hundred on McLean Park.
Tendulkar v Central Districts in a warmup one-day game before the 1994/95 Centenary Series and Richards in a three-day match in 1986/87 on the West Indies tour.
Tendulkar's was elegance, Richards' was force.
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@Number-10 said in Modern batting averages:
@nzzp said in Modern batting averages:
@rotated said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
To bat for my life on a good day I'd take Canterbury legend Rahul Dravid... on a bad one Chris Martin looks like a good option.
it's a really good question that goes past averages, and brings in those mentally tough folk who just refuse to be beaten.
SWaugh was up there for me. Remarkable player, and the mental strength to lead a team to a new place was fantastic
on the players I'd pay to watch bat, there's Tendulkar, Lara, RIchards (by reputation) and Sehwag. Arguably Chris Martin makes the list as well ... not there for a long time
Saw both these guys, in the flesh, make a hundred on McLean Park.
Tendulkar v Central Districts in a warmup one-day game before the 1994/95 Centenary Series and Richards in a three-day match in 1986/87 on the West Indies tour.
Tendulkar's was elegance, Richards' was force.
I think Richards would easily average north of 60 in test cricket ( and very possibly ODI ) if he played today. As it was he was a massive hitter with far inferior bats. The game now would be tailor made for him.
He’s another whose legacy exceeds his figures. His record is obviously excellent but on paper others of his era like Gavaskar, G Chappell, Miandad and Border averaged the same or more.
But he’d be ahead of all of them in a world XI.
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@nzzp said in Modern batting averages:
@rotated said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
To bat for my life on a good day I'd take Canterbury legend Rahul Dravid... on a bad one Chris Martin looks like a good option.
it's a really good question that goes past averages, and brings in those mentally tough folk who just refuse to be beaten.
SWaugh was up there for me. Remarkable player, and the mental strength to lead a team to a new place was fantastic
on the players I'd pay to watch bat, there's Tendulkar, Lara, RIchards (by reputation) and Sehwag. Arguably Chris Martin makes the list as well ... not there for a long time
I'd add Mark Waugh. I don't think there was a better late cutter of the ball. Imagine if he had the mental toughness of his twin!
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@antipodean said in Modern batting averages:
@nzzp said in Modern batting averages:
@rotated said in Modern batting averages:
@MN5 said in Modern batting averages:
But.....teams need those ‘bat for your life’ guys and he along with others I mentioned was terrific.
To bat for my life on a good day I'd take Canterbury legend Rahul Dravid... on a bad one Chris Martin looks like a good option.
it's a really good question that goes past averages, and brings in those mentally tough folk who just refuse to be beaten.
SWaugh was up there for me. Remarkable player, and the mental strength to lead a team to a new place was fantastic
on the players I'd pay to watch bat, there's Tendulkar, Lara, RIchards (by reputation) and Sehwag. Arguably Chris Martin makes the list as well ... not there for a long time
I'd add Mark Waugh. I don't think there was a better late cutter of the ball. Imagine if he had the mental toughness of his twin!
I fucken loved ‘junior’ or ‘Afghanistan’. Beautiful to watch.
I think my favourite quote about him is someone mentioning he had the same talent as Steve but after an hour batting he started thinking about horse racing.
He still had a bloody good test career though ( 8000 runs and 20 tons would be the best record in most families ) and was one of the best ODI batsmen Oz ever produced.
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@Godder Most aggressive batsman I've ever seen. Coupled with such natural talent he just took good bowling attacks apart at will.
Having said that I have always wondered how the great WI batsmen of the 80's would have fared against the four man pace attacks thir own side could consistently put out.
A quick google suggests for Richards at least not that great
Viv Richards: How did he perform against the West Indian quicks? - Cricket Country
Despite the greatness of contemporaries like Chappell, Gavaskar, and Miandad, Richards’ impact was the most.
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