New Zealand v West Indies
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@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I guess another factor is, with Jamieson's elevation. We probably won't play a spinner at home for next year or 2, injuries permitting, until Wagner retires. So now also 'at risk' is CdG. We could play a specialist batsman at 6, CdG's 4th seamer role no longer really required.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Stead said that it was unlikely they'd go into many tests without a spinner?
Well, they did in their last test.
I'm not comfortable with it. But if the 4 seamers are fit, they are un-droppable.
I'm uncomfortable that it will makes us lions at home but pussies away (sub-continent).At this stage, I would read Stead's comment as a spinner in the squad.
Really, best balance (on paper) now would be to find a spinner who can do (or almost do) CdG's role. cough, Santner, cough.
No no no no no! At test level, he's shown he's not good enough with the bat or ball.
I like the thinking though, finding someone capable will be the hard thing.
Cole McConchie from Canterbury would be the only middle order bat that bowls decent spin that I can think of. Wouldn't have a clue if he's up to it, but based on averages - he goes at just under 32 with the bat and just over 32 with the ball...
Edit - I see that McConchie is captain of the NZA team to play the Windies... lets hope he goes well.
Yes, hence the coughs.
McConchie will just be Santner-lite. I don't actually mind Santner if we accept his role, but his test batting worried me more than his bowling (if we're talking higher than 8 in the order, which we are if talking CdG substitue).To be honest. In the next covid effected year. I think just play each test as it comes. So ....
- In NZ, except Hamilton, play no spinners.
- If in subcontinent or UAE, have experienced players in Patel and Sommerville that have shown they won't be hopeless. Maybe even goodish.
Then, further out than next year, options:
- When Wagner retires, reintegrate Patel to being an all conditions spinner.
- When CdG retires, hope we have by then someone who is good enough to bat top 6 and provide handy spin for home tests (Phillips or Ravindra). But use specialists for Asian tests.
- Or just hope Ravindra is good enough to make top 5 soon anyway (poor start to season so far), and his spin (which was good at youth level) gets better at senior level.
Santner lite ????? Is that even humanly possible ?
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@Bovidae said in New Zealand v West Indies:
If you are like me and can't be bothered signing up to Spark Sport for this series, the 1st T20 game is live on TV1 on Friday.
Oh I forgot the cricket was on spark now.
How much to buy the series? Could look it up myself, but being lazy.
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@Chris-B said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I see Rossco is 36, turning 37 at the end of this summer.
I guess we're entering bonus territory with him now!
I’d imagine Nicholls goes up a spot once the inevitable happens.
Can anyone tell me what’s happening with Jimmy Neeshams career ?
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@MN5 said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Chris-B said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I see Rossco is 36, turning 37 at the end of this summer.
I guess we're entering bonus territory with him now!
I’d imagine Nicholls goes up a spot once the inevitable happens.
Can anyone tell me what’s happening with Jimmy Neeshams career ?
- If he can get back to scoring runs...
- No idea. Seems to be a limited overs specialist these days though doesn't he. Though he did do well when he was in the test team.
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@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@MN5 said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Chris-B said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I see Rossco is 36, turning 37 at the end of this summer.
I guess we're entering bonus territory with him now!
I’d imagine Nicholls goes up a spot once the inevitable happens.
Can anyone tell me what’s happening with Jimmy Neeshams career ?
- If he can get back to scoring runs...
- No idea. Seems to be a limited overs specialist these days though doesn't he. Though he did do well when he was in the test team.
Seems to me Taylor retiring frees up Neesham as a potential replacement.
Nichols is decent, he’ll be back.
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Oh geez, I missed the part about Santner being called into the test squad before.
Is Ian Foster selecting our cricket team now too?
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@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
Oh geez, I missed the part about Santner being called into the test squad before.
Is Ian Foster selecting our cricket team now too?
Post of the year
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@nzzp said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Chris-B said in New Zealand v West Indies:
So who sits out the first test?
Surely be two of Young, Mitchell, Santner and Jamieson?
can't see Jamieson missing out
Mediocre spinner and occasionally decent batsman vs big tall scary paceman who started his career with a bang ?
Well based on selection policy in sport this year Santner is a shoe in.
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@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Chris-B surely Santner and Young.
There can be no logical reason for picking Santner ahead of Jamieson. None. Zip. Nada.
That's probably the way I'd go - though I wouldn't mind seeing Young batting at 6. I guess they may want Mitchell's gentle stock bowling as an option if we're stuck in the field for a while.
And, yeah - I've been in the camp of there being little point in playing spinners in NZ in recent times.
Plus, having a four-pronged seam attack steaming in against the Windies would have an element of retribution!
We should be playing at Sabina Park!
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@MN5 said in New Zealand v West Indies:
Mediocre spinner and occasionally decent batsman vs big tall scary paceman who started his career with a bang ?
And, in fairness, is tearing it up in Plunket Shield
Edit: took a bit of googling, but 20 wickets at 10.85
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Hmmmm
Definitely don't drop Jamieson.
My instincts tell me that best chance of wining the test is the 4 seamers plus spin/allrounder (Santner).
My future proofing instincts tell me its a good opportunity to blood Young.
Absolutely nothing tells me Mitchell would add much to our chances.
The beauty of a CdG role, and Mitchell as his backup, is it allows us to play some other players we aren't 100% sure of their effectiveness for the conditions, or their test quality, or fitness to contribute over 5 days. (So, a spinner, or a tearaway).
We don't have a tearaway (Fergusson) in the squad. So not needed to cover that.
So, either
6. Young
7. Watling
then the 4 seamers to carry almost entire bowling workloador
6. Watling
7. Santner
then the 4 seamers to carry with Santner capable of keeping it tight, taking over bowling workload at times unsuitable for the quicks other than Wagner.or
6. Watling
7. Mitchell
then the 4 seamers (plus Mitchell sharing workload as another medium pace seamer). I don't see much value-add.Mitchell has had a good start to the domestic season. Taken heaps of wickets. I don't see that really transferring to test level though on flat decks. Also got good domestic runs so far.
I wouldn't begrudge him. Batted well on test debut last year, good against quicks. He hooks and pulls like a guy who spent his teens in Perth. He used to be very average v even domestic spin a few years ago (like 5 or 6 years ago when I formed that opinion). Haven't followed his progress to see if this is still the case.
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So, I would pick Santner if I was selector. You know what you'll get. Tight overs, keeping the pressure on while Wagner is banging in the old ball at the other end. Been a cog in an extremely effective bowling attack. (but played no red ball yet this season)
But as a fan I kind of hope they pick Young.
No logical reason for picking Mitchell.
I reckon they'll pick Mitchell.
