New Zealand v West Indies
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Taking the other half and boys to the Basin on the Sundee of the Windies test. Just a gentle half hour walk from hers. Nothing better than sitting on the bank enjoying the best form of the game.
I hope the Windies make a game of it, I can just imagine them getting pissed off with all the isolation and not trying on the pitch, historically they are a team who’ve thrown their toys on previous visits here. Plus most of them are either unproven or aren’t actually very good.
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I have never seen Conway bat but are NZ missing a trick not putting him in the test squad straight up? His domestic stats are pretty impressive.
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@Crazy-Horse said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I have never seen Conway bat but are NZ missing a trick not putting him in the test squad straight up? His domestic stats are pretty impressive.
Maybe.
Personally, I think it is right decision. Team and selectorial consistency.Conway is also in the NZ A squad. After he plays the T20s, he will then play 2 FC games for NZ A v Windies A.
So, he has a pathway to test selection.
But, I'm a little biased. I like watching Will Young bat so don't want him demoted below Conway without more justification.
Most at risk are Taylor due to age, and Nicholls due to form last 12 months, and obviously Young as the spare. Getting promoted to first spare is really neither here no there is terms of 'missing a trick'. So we're really talking about the test starting XI.
I guess another factor is, with Jamieson's elevation. We probably won't play a spinner at home for next year or 2, injuries permitting, until Wagner retires. So now also 'at risk' is CdG. We could play a specialist batsman at 6, CdG's 4th seamer role no longer really required.
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@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I guess another factor is, with Jamieson's elevation. We probably won't play a spinner at home for next year or 2, injuries permitting, until Wagner retires. So now also 'at risk' is CdG. We could play a specialist batsman at 6, CdG's 4th seamer role no longer really required.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Stead said that it was unlikely they'd go into many tests without a spinner?
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@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I guess another factor is, with Jamieson's elevation. We probably won't play a spinner at home for next year or 2, injuries permitting, until Wagner retires. So now also 'at risk' is CdG. We could play a specialist batsman at 6, CdG's 4th seamer role no longer really required.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Stead said that it was unlikely they'd go into many tests without a spinner?
Well, they did in their last test. But I think that was only because Patel pulled up lame.
I'm not comfortable with it. But if the 4 seamers are fit, they are un-droppable.
I'm uncomfortable that it will makes us lions at home but pussies away (sub-continent).At this stage, I would read Stead's comment as a spinner in the squad.
Really, best balance (on paper) now would be to find a spinner who can do (or almost do) CdG's role. cough, Santner, cough.
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@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I guess another factor is, with Jamieson's elevation. We probably won't play a spinner at home for next year or 2, injuries permitting, until Wagner retires. So now also 'at risk' is CdG. We could play a specialist batsman at 6, CdG's 4th seamer role no longer really required.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Stead said that it was unlikely they'd go into many tests without a spinner?
Well, they did in their last test.
I'm not comfortable with it. But if the 4 seamers are fit, they are un-droppable.
I'm uncomfortable that it will makes us lions at home but pussies away (sub-continent).At this stage, I would read Stead's comment as a spinner in the squad.
Really, best balance (on paper) now would be to find a spinner who can do (or almost do) CdG's role. cough, Santner, cough.
No no no no no! At test level, he's shown he's not good enough with the bat or ball.
I like the thinking though, finding someone capable will be the hard thing.
Cole McConchie from Canterbury would be the only middle order bat that bowls decent spin that I can think of. Wouldn't have a clue if he's up to it, but based on averages - he goes at just under 32 with the bat and just over 32 with the ball...
Edit - I see that McConchie is captain of the NZA team to play the Windies... lets hope he goes well.
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@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I guess another factor is, with Jamieson's elevation. We probably won't play a spinner at home for next year or 2, injuries permitting, until Wagner retires. So now also 'at risk' is CdG. We could play a specialist batsman at 6, CdG's 4th seamer role no longer really required.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Stead said that it was unlikely they'd go into many tests without a spinner?
Well, they did in their last test.
I'm not comfortable with it. But if the 4 seamers are fit, they are un-droppable.
I'm uncomfortable that it will makes us lions at home but pussies away (sub-continent).At this stage, I would read Stead's comment as a spinner in the squad.
Really, best balance (on paper) now would be to find a spinner who can do (or almost do) CdG's role. cough, Santner, cough.
No no no no no! At test level, he's shown he's not good enough with the bat or ball.
I like the thinking though, finding someone capable will be the hard thing.
Cole McConchie from Canterbury would be the only middle order bat that bowls decent spin that I can think of. Wouldn't have a clue if he's up to it, but based on averages - he goes at just under 32 with the bat and just over 32 with the ball...
Edit - I see that McConchie is captain of the NZA team to play the Windies... lets hope he goes well.
Yes, hence the coughs.
McConchie will just be Santner-lite. I don't actually mind Santner if we accept his role, but his test batting worried me more than his bowling (if we're talking higher than 8 in the order, which we are if talking CdG substitue).To be honest. In the next covid effected year. I think just play each test as it comes. So ....
- In NZ, except Hamilton, play no spinners.
- If in subcontinent or UAE, have experienced players in Patel and Sommerville that have shown they won't be hopeless. Maybe even goodish.
Then, further out than next year, options:
- When Wagner retires, reintegrate Patel to being an all conditions spinner.
- When CdG retires, hope we have by then someone who is good enough to bat top 6 and provide handy spin for home tests (Phillips or Ravindra). But use specialists for Asian tests.
- Or just hope Ravindra is good enough to make top 5 soon anyway (poor start to season so far), and his spin (which was good at youth level) gets better at senior level.
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@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Rapido said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I guess another factor is, with Jamieson's elevation. We probably won't play a spinner at home for next year or 2, injuries permitting, until Wagner retires. So now also 'at risk' is CdG. We could play a specialist batsman at 6, CdG's 4th seamer role no longer really required.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Stead said that it was unlikely they'd go into many tests without a spinner?
Well, they did in their last test.
I'm not comfortable with it. But if the 4 seamers are fit, they are un-droppable.
I'm uncomfortable that it will makes us lions at home but pussies away (sub-continent).At this stage, I would read Stead's comment as a spinner in the squad.
Really, best balance (on paper) now would be to find a spinner who can do (or almost do) CdG's role. cough, Santner, cough.
No no no no no! At test level, he's shown he's not good enough with the bat or ball.
I like the thinking though, finding someone capable will be the hard thing.
Cole McConchie from Canterbury would be the only middle order bat that bowls decent spin that I can think of. Wouldn't have a clue if he's up to it, but based on averages - he goes at just under 32 with the bat and just over 32 with the ball...
Edit - I see that McConchie is captain of the NZA team to play the Windies... lets hope he goes well.
Yes, hence the coughs.
McConchie will just be Santner-lite. I don't actually mind Santner if we accept his role, but his test batting worried me more than his bowling (if we're talking higher than 8 in the order, which we are if talking CdG substitue).To be honest. In the next covid effected year. I think just play each test as it comes. So ....
- In NZ, except Hamilton, play no spinners.
- If in subcontinent or UAE, have experienced players in Patel and Sommerville that have shown they won't be hopeless. Maybe even goodish.
Then, further out than next year, options:
- When Wagner retires, reintegrate Patel to being an all conditions spinner.
- When CdG retires, hope we have by then someone who is good enough to bat top 6 and provide handy spin for home tests (Phillips or Ravindra). But use specialists for Asian tests.
- Or just hope Ravindra is good enough to make top 5 soon anyway (poor start to season so far), and his spin (which was good at youth level) gets better at senior level.
Santner lite ????? Is that even humanly possible ?
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@Bovidae said in New Zealand v West Indies:
If you are like me and can't be bothered signing up to Spark Sport for this series, the 1st T20 game is live on TV1 on Friday.
Oh I forgot the cricket was on spark now.
How much to buy the series? Could look it up myself, but being lazy.
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@Chris-B said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I see Rossco is 36, turning 37 at the end of this summer.
I guess we're entering bonus territory with him now!
I’d imagine Nicholls goes up a spot once the inevitable happens.
Can anyone tell me what’s happening with Jimmy Neeshams career ?
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@MN5 said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Chris-B said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I see Rossco is 36, turning 37 at the end of this summer.
I guess we're entering bonus territory with him now!
I’d imagine Nicholls goes up a spot once the inevitable happens.
Can anyone tell me what’s happening with Jimmy Neeshams career ?
- If he can get back to scoring runs...
- No idea. Seems to be a limited overs specialist these days though doesn't he. Though he did do well when he was in the test team.
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@Gunner said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@MN5 said in New Zealand v West Indies:
@Chris-B said in New Zealand v West Indies:
I see Rossco is 36, turning 37 at the end of this summer.
I guess we're entering bonus territory with him now!
I’d imagine Nicholls goes up a spot once the inevitable happens.
Can anyone tell me what’s happening with Jimmy Neeshams career ?
- If he can get back to scoring runs...
- No idea. Seems to be a limited overs specialist these days though doesn't he. Though he did do well when he was in the test team.
Seems to me Taylor retiring frees up Neesham as a potential replacement.
Nichols is decent, he’ll be back.
