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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    Big statement on the final climb by Roglic last night.

    Movistar did most of the pace-making up to the climb - apparently to set up the stage for Mas. Valverde even launched an early attack on the climb to burn off the stragglers - not a very serious one, because he was quite quickly reined in by the lead group with Gesink still pacing them.

    But, quite early on the lead group was down to about a dozen riders - the top 10 and a handful of others - most notably Sepp Kuss, Vlasov and Wout Poels.

    Carthy attacked (very and too early) and Sepp Kuss covered him - dropping anchor on his wheel. That attack pretty much spat all the pretenders out the back including Grosschartner, Soler, Valverde, Chavez and George.

    Carapaz slowly rode back to Carthy, bringing Roglic, Martin and Vlasov with him.

    Vlasov had a crack and they let him go, briefly.

    Then Carapaz attacked and only Roglic was able to go with him. Finally, Roglic made a couple of big attacks and was evidently the strongest, beating Carapaz by 13 seconds, Martin by 19 and Carthy by 33. The others in the top 10 trailed in between one and two minutes down. George lost 1.49 and slipped to 12th a few seconds behind Wout Poels and Mikel Nieve. Now 4.21 down on Carapaz though.

    Carapaz holds the red jersey by 13 seconds from Roglic.
    Martin is 28 seconds back
    Carthy 44 seconds
    Mas is the best of the rest at 1.54
    and Grosschartner probably out of it 3.5 minutes down.

    A couple of flat stages the next two days - then two consecutive mountain stages.

    A big problem for Carapaz, especially (but probably all of these guys) is the Stage 13 time trial, where he'll surely lose a decent chunk of time to Roglic.

    And after the time trial there's only one more genuine mountain stage - though several hilly stages.

    Those mountain stages at the weekend are going to be critical.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    Another statement by Roglic, who wins an uphill sprint to take out Stage 10 and claim back the red jersey from Carapaz, though they are equal on time.

    George finished in the group 3 seconds down on Roglic and made up a few seconds on several of the people ahead of him - jumping over Nieve into 11th.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    Two mountain stages - the first one, the big guns largely neutralized one another and let Soler grab a couple of minutes and a couple of places in the GC (but, he got beaten for the stage win by David Gaudu).

    Soler paid for that last night - blew up on the horrendous L'Angliru and lost 14 minutes.

    L'Angliru looked awful - some parts I reckon even those guys would just about have been quicker if they'd got off and pushed! 🙂

    In the end - and much to my surprise - Hugh Carthy had the best legs and was able to ride away from Mas, Carapaz and Vlasov and won by 16 seconds. Kuss helped to drag Roglic and Dan Martin over the line another 10 seconds further back.

    George bailed early to ride the hardest part at his own pace and finished 12th on the stage, but 3 minutes behind Carthy. He remains in 11th overall.

    So Carapaz takes the red jersey again.
    Roglic is 10 seconds down.
    Carthy is @32 seconds
    Martin @35 seconds
    Mas @ 1 minute 50

    Wout Poels is 6th, but more than 5 minutes down. George is 7.40 down in 11th.

    All of the top three will be pretty satisfied with their day. Carthy won the stage and jumped ahead of Martin.

    Carapaz took the red jersey.

    And Roglic survived without any major time loss to Carapaz.

    The next stage is a 34km time trial, where Roglic will expect to do some pretty significant damage to all his rivals.

    Then there's three "Hilly" stages (though one looks pretty close to mountainous to me), a Mountain stage, and a final flat stage into Madrid.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    Roglic wins the time trial, but his competitors do better than I expected them to.

    Carapaz is just 39 seconds behind in the GC and Carthy is @47 seconds.

    Dan Martin the loser on the day, he's now in 4th and 1 minute 42 back.

    George was fast enough to jump over Mikel Nieve, but not fast enough to stay ahead of De la Cruz, so he remains in 11th.

    Jumbo Visma has been happy enough to let George more or less ride for himself for several days and keep himself on the edge of the mix. My theory - and it's probably good for George - is that they're planning to send him up the road during the final week and force some of the other teams to chase him to protect their positions in (or aspirations for) the top 10. So instead of TJV having to do all the work at the front of the peloton, they may be able to sit back on a day or two and let others chase George. Which might give George a chance to go for a stage win! 🙂

    Anyway, it's a theory...

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    The GC remains largely unchanged - yesterday the lead group split by a few seconds and George finished in the second group - losing a few seconds to David Gaudu and slipping to 12th - one second down.

    Dion Smith was in the mix at the finish today - finished sixth in the sprint.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    Another hilly stage and Dion Smith gets even closer.

    He was fourth on the stage, but the 3rd placed finisher (Rui Costa) got relegated, so Dion gets to stand on the podium of a Grand Tour individual stage. Not many NZers have done that - pretty certain none have ever won - not sure who else has come in the first three on an individual stage. I'm guessing Julian Dean probably would have somewhere. George had a 4th in the Giro. I think Jack Bauer got swamped when he nearly won at the TdF.

    Dion was only a couple of bike lengths from the winner (Cort-Neilson). Roglic came second so picked up 6 bonus seconds and I think has locked up the green (sprinters) jersey. George sort of led Roglic out in the sprint so was briefly leading inside the last km - so probably NZ's most competitive stage! 🙂

    Final mountain stage tonight.

    Roglic with 45 seconds on Carapaz and 53 seconds on Carthy. Like the Tour - it's his to lose! 🙂

    Also a test of my theory of whether they'll let George go up the road.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    A pretty exciting final mountain stage.

    Dan Martin dropped away from the lead group leaving Carapaz, Roglic and Carthy to fight it out.

    Carthy made a couple of feints, but Carapaz attacked hard with about 3km of the climb left and broke away.

    At his peak he put 25 seconds between himself and Roglic. TJV had put Lenard Hofstede in the breakaway (the role I thought they might give George) and he was able to sit up and wait for Roglic and provide a bit of support for Primoz.

    In the end, Carapaz made up 21 seconds on Roglic - but not enough.

    Not sure what the protocol is on the final stage, but I think it will be hard to do much unless Roglic crashes or goes to sleep.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Chris B.
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    And Roglic wins!

    An interesting feature is that Carapaz has actually ridden the race 8 seconds faster than Roglic, but Roglic has collected 48 seconds of time bonuses compared with Carapaz collecting 16 seconds.

    George ends up 12th - 14.04 down on Roglic. Not bad considering there were several stages where he had to sacrifice himself for Roglic and plenty where he was riding in support.

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    @Chris-B said in Road Cycling:

    And Roglic wins!

    An interesting feature is that Carapaz has actually ridden the race 8 seconds faster than Roglic, but Roglic has collected 48 seconds of time bonuses compared with Carapaz collecting 16 seconds.

    George ends up 12th - 14.04 down on Roglic. Not bad considering there were several stages where he had to sacrifice himself for Roglic and plenty where he was riding in support.

    I really support bonus seconds and who is to say how Roglic would have gone if he didn't target podiums.
    I much prefer seeing GC guys have to get to the front than winning a TT than sitting in a peleton with their team shutting down attacks.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    @Crucial Yeah - me too.

    Some additional rewards for performing in the Stage racing.

    Roglic also lost a few seconds of advantage on one stage when Dan Martin crashed inside the 3km mark and everyone was given the same time, when I think Primoz should have gained 3 seconds.

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    And Froome finished in 98th, 3.5 hrs down on Roglic. In a nice touch, he was retrospectively presented with the 2011 trophy in a ceremony before the final stage commenced. It was also his final day as an Ineos rider, after 10 years.

    Time will tell how successful he is with ISN next year. Odds are against him being successful, but he is a tenacious sod.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    @scribe Froome certainly got stronger as the race progressed and did some useful work for Carapaz at times.

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  • Chris B.C Online
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    Saw a guy in TJV gear riding towards me the other day and thought, that looks a lot like George.

    Sure enough...

    Dec 27, 2020  /  Sport

    George Bennett to return to racing in New Zealand

    George Bennett to return to racing in New Zealand

    The top New Zealand cyclist George Bennett has confirmed he'll race two events in New Zealand in the New Year.

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    @Chris-B said in Road Cycling:

    Saw a guy in TJV gear riding towards me the other day and thought, that looks a lot like George.

    Hardly breakfast with Joe Moody, Jerome Kaino, Damian McKenzie and Liam Squire but not bad.

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    @Chris-B said in Road Cycling:

    Saw a guy in TJV gear riding towards me the other day and thought, that looks a lot like George.

    Sure enough...

    Dec 27, 2020  /  Sport

    George Bennett to return to racing in New Zealand

    George Bennett to return to racing in New Zealand

    The top New Zealand cyclist George Bennett has confirmed he'll race two events in New Zealand in the New Year.

    he was doing 6 hour rides on Zwift in the bathroom of his quarantine hotel. faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark that!

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    @WillieTheWaiter said in Road Cycling:

    @Chris-B said in Road Cycling:

    Saw a guy in TJV gear riding towards me the other day and thought, that looks a lot like George.

    Sure enough...

    Dec 27, 2020  /  Sport

    George Bennett to return to racing in New Zealand

    George Bennett to return to racing in New Zealand

    The top New Zealand cyclist George Bennett has confirmed he'll race two events in New Zealand in the New Year.

    he was doing 6 hour rides on Zwift in the bathroom of his quarantine hotel. faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark that!

    That's just disgusting. Nobody should have that level of mental capacity.

    1hr on zwift and I'm mentally cooked.

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    I did 2.5 hrs on a turbo trainer once whilst training for an Ironman (pre Zwift days). Never again. That was after reading about a Female pro who used to do all of her Ironman training indoors. Crazy play.

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    @scribe said in Road Cycling:

    I did 2.5 hrs on a turbo trainer once whilst training for an Ironman (pre Zwift days). Never again. That was after reading about a Female pro who used to do all of her Ironman training indoors. Crazy play.

    yeh I think i've maxed out at about 2 hours. Surprising the amount of pros especially triathletes who do the majority of their training on the trainer. I'd be about 80%.. so much more efficient, impossible to do decent intervals in an hour session in central auckland!

    that female pro you talk about - that wasn't the woman who swam like a frikkin spaz was it? I remember reading an article on a female pro in the uk about how she trained all on the trainer for ironman - a while back before it became the norm.. and it showed her swimming, breaststroke kick with freestyle swim - craziest thing I've seen.. funnily enough her swim coach could see she was going to be a great athlete when she was sorted out and she was!

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    never did more than 90 minutes. And i did that precisely once, and swore to never do it again. 1 hour, no more.

    And that evil device has sat unused in my garage for 19 months now...

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    @mariner4life said in Road Cycling:

    never did more than 90 minutes. And i did that precisely once, and swore to never do it again. 1 hour, no more.

    And that evil device has sat unused in my garage for 19 months now...

    yeh.. I name my workouts after how I feel about them.. ha

    Workout.JPG

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