Robbie Deans to potentially replace Joseph
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<p>and it doesn't really suprise me. Wasn't the Deans family one of the first European settlers to the area?</p>
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<p>I support Northland first, but if given the opportunity to play for Scotland (only other team I qualify for) I wouldn't want to play against the ABs...I know easy to claim this in my tower given it would never happen, but hey, if I can make the Scottish side, bloody MN5 would probably end up stalking me on FB or something!</p>
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<p>and it doesn't really suprise me. Wasn't the Deans family one of the first European settlers to the area?</p>
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<p>Correct, they preceded the first four ships by around 7-8 years I think.</p> -
<p>Kind of explains why his eyes are so close together......</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="SammyC" data-cid="563377" data-time="1457481086"><p>
I know for a fact that Deans has said he would never coach against Canterbury... hopefully that extends to the Crusaders as well.<br><br>
He did say a few months back he didnt want a Super coaching role because of too much travel</p></blockquote>
Had no problems coaching against NZ although as we know their is a breed of Cantabs who are Canterbury first, second and third.<br><br>
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<p>It's amazing the about turns people make when</p>
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<p>a. They have been shafted</p>
<p>b. They are offered a huge contract elsewhere</p>
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<p>Which is why it's hard to judge Robbie on the decisons that he's made. I've been in situation a before, but unfortunately never situation b!</p> -
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<p>When Joseph decided to step down, what the Highlanders started looking for was a top draw coaching manager, someone who can slip into the systems which have already been set up and work alongside a top draw coaching team. We don't need someone who would want to come in and change everything.</p>
<p>Robbie fits that, he is experienced, has won championships and is also driven to play an up-tempo game.</p>
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<p>I don't think Deans fits that at all. By all accounts he is a "my way or the highway" type of coach.</p> -
<p>I think Roger Clark and the Highlanders will be very careful about outlining the role they want their head coach to have. Joseph had to adapt following a number of years of my way or the highway, with a key ingredient in that being trusting his coaching team more. I'm sure the Highlanders will be making sure the candidates understand what will be expected of them.</p>
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<p>The thing about Deans is that he is an amazing recruiter of young players. If the Highlanders get him expect them to develop into the best squad in the competition within 2 to 3 years and the other kiwi franchises scratching their hands wondering what happened to their star players they had coming through. This leagacy will last for a good 5-10 years after he moves on as well. The Crusaders are still benefiting from Sam Whitelock Kieran Read.</p>
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<p>This is the biggest difference between the Crusaders under Blackadder. Todd believes that BS about a champion team beating a team of champions. Deans always knew that a team of champions playing like a champion team was the way to go.</p> -
<p>I think it would be a real coup for the Highlanders to get him but the Crusaders are mad if they have the option to get him back and choose not to.</p>
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<p>If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.</p>
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<p>Doubt Blake Gibson would be on the Blues roster either TBH. Doubt Otere Black would be wasting his time on the hurricanes bench either.</p>
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<p>As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.</p> -
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<div><span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">This is the biggest difference between the Crusaders under Blackadder. Todd believes that BS about a champion team beating a team of champions. Deans always knew that a team of champions playing like a champion team was the way to go.</span></div>
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<p>If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.</p>
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<p>Doubt Blake Gibson would be on the Blues roster either TBH. Doubt Otere Black would be wasting his time on the hurricanes bench either.</p>
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<p>As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.</p>
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<p>I agree Robbie did a better job of recruitment than Toddy but i'm not sure about team of champions stuff - when I think of Crusaders under Deans I think of very consistent players who know their roles and were a well balanced side. Guys like Casey Laulala were wonderful for the Crusaders but didn't translate to international stardom.</p>
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<p>Some of those examples are a bit off - Blake Gibson is an Auckland boy through and through and is getting starting game time. Otere Black looks a fine prospect but Mo'unga is a good prospect himself and has guided Canterbury to an ITM Cup title as a 10 in his own right. </p>
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<p>Also Super Rugby has transitioned a lot since Dean's day - Deans was mostly Super 12 with Super 14 coming in during Deans' final three years. The current format is a much different beast. </p> -
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<p>I think it would be a real coup for the Highlanders to get him but the Crusaders are mad if they have the option to get him back and choose not to.<br>
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If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.<br>
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As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.</p>
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Revisionism taken to its most absurd levels. The Crusaders under Deans hogged players in all sorts of positions. This strategy only failed when he pissed players off and they left.<br>
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As for your final point, it's pure conjecture. Super rugby as has been pointed out has changed a lot and Deans has been out of it for a looong time.<br>
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No issues at all with Dean's coaching record at the Crusaders but there is a very long list of very good players that were a mainstay of his success that were with the franchise before he took over, including the following AB's<br>
<span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Mark Mayerhofler</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Con Barrell</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Todd Blackadder</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Daryl Gibson</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Mark Hammett</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Scott Robertson</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Norm Maxwell</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Justin Marshall</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Leon MacDonald</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Andrew Mehrtens</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Reuben Thorne</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Norm Berryman</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Greg Feek</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Dave Hewett</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Chris Jack</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Caleb Ralph</span></span><br><span><span style="font-family:calibri;">Greg Somerville</span></span></p> -
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<p>I think it would be a real coup for the Highlanders to get him but the Crusaders are mad if they have the option to get him back and choose not to.</p>
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<p>If Deans returned you wouldn't see the Blues hogging 3 quality 6s in Kaino, Luatua and Akira Ioane while the Crusaders lack ball runner to bend the line with Jordan Taufua starting when he should be the bench/impact player.</p>
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<p>Doubt Blake Gibson would be on the Blues roster either TBH. Doubt Otere Black would be wasting his time on the hurricanes bench either.</p>
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<p>As much as Hansen may not like to admit it with Deans back at the Crusaders the All Blacks would have a much wider pool of talent developed up to Super rugby level quicker.</p>
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<p>Had no problems coaching against NZ although as we know their is a breed of Cantabs who are Canterbury first, second and third.<br><br>
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<p>Had no problems coaching against NZ although as we know their is a breed of Cantabs who are Canterbury first, second and third.<br>
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<p>Blood is thicker than water.</p>
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<p>The actual full quote is "the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb" Which in fact means the opposite. </p>
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Wow, I'm flabbergasted there is a province before country lot. I love HB, love the Magpies, but the ABs are first, Magpies 2nd, clubs and then Super.</p></blockquote>This is a tough one. I think I go club, ABs, Northland.<br><br>
Buy then it gets tricky if I think about which I'd prefer to win more this year, Joe Morgan Memorial Trophy, Rugby Championship or The Whatever The Fuck It Is Now Cup (NPC).<br>
Because the last time Northland won anything that wasn't a fucking kitchen utensil was maybe close to 20 years ago, I think I'd take the NPC win. ABs win the Rugby championship 9 times out of 10, and my club won the comp back to back in 2011/2012, so I could live with waiting another year to win that again.<br>
Oh how I dream of a golden era for the Taniwha. Alas, I fear when my son is old enough to listen to my stories of when we beat the star studded Vikings in the 2nd division final, he won't believe me - it'll just be too unbelievable that Northland could ever have won anything.
