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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    #25

    How many games did Johnny Smith play for North Auckland? He was considered a legend of his era, and one of the best midfielders, based on his AB bio.

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    @Bovidae wiki told me 41

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    @Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    @JC said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    Also both of the Dunn brothers were fine players in their day but I think you're stretching it to suggest they're both good enough to block Holwell right out of the squad

    Both All Blacks...

    True, but if they had been playing in Mehrts's then Dan Carter's era they probably wouldn't have been, which was Holwell's curse.

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    #28

    is tough when you have some players you are basing your veiw on what you have read or what other people who saw them play said.

    Johnny SMith a prime example (I admit I knew little about him, other than he played for North Auckland and AB's)

    Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

    Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

    Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...

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    #29

    @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

    Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

    Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...

    Based on that, he'd have to be in the team then.

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    @Gunner ahead of Morgan or Goodhue...

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    @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    is tough when you have some players you are basing your veiw on what you have read or what other people who saw them play said.

    Johnny SMith a prime example (I admit I knew little about him, other than he played for North Auckland and AB's)

    Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

    Johnny Smith (rugby union) - Wikipedia

    Named in Wynne Grays 100 Greatest ABs...

    I've known about JB since I was a boy as I had lots of old rugby books and he was a great Maori centre. I think he'd make every list of 100 greatest ABs.

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    @taniwharugby it's a really tough call as I didn't see Morgan play.

    Morgan played a record 165 games for Northland and 5 ABs games.
    Jack has already played more ABs matches (though 14 v 5 is not significantly more) and there will be many more to come.

    Right now - I think Goodhue misses out.
    If we have this debate in another few years, Jack may well get his nose in front.

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    #33

    @Gunner said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    I didn't see Morgan play.

    A lot of TSFers wouldn't have

    I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)

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    @Duluth said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    I'd lean towards picking a side that could win a TSF poll vs another side (assuming thats where this competition goes)

    Very good point.

    In that case keep Goodhue.

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  • sharkS Offline
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    How about someone just names the side that played the 1990 Wallabies, and be done with it.

    Warren Johnstone was, and remains the most iconic Northland player for me.

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    #36

    To add to prior discussions, I would have Jared Payne at Fullback and Vula Maimuri in my reserves.

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    #37

    OK, so looking like team pretty much picks itself aside from a few positions?
    1 - Con Barrell (Northland/North Auckland Caps - 77, AB's - 4 matches, 0 tests)
    2 - Whitcombe (20,5) Sloane (146, 1)
    3 - Richie Guy (91, 4)
    4 - Ian Jones (66, 79)
    5 - Glenn Taylor (143, 1)
    6 - Norm Maxwell (38, 36)
    7 - Gus Collins (114, 0)
    8 - Peter Jones (79, 37)
    9 - Sid Going (110, 29)
    10 - David Holwell (115, 0)
    11 - Rupeni Caucau (21, 0)
    12 - Johnny Smith (41, 4)
    13 - Jack Goodhue (9, 14)
    14 - Rene Ranger (88, 6)
    15 - Warren Johnstone (161, 0) Jared Payne (36, Ire 20) Norm Berryman (107*, 1)

    As above, I'd be inclined to play Taylor as the lock, and Maxwell at 6 to give a bit more grunt at scrumtime, I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start 😯

    Although is an argument Goodhue could go to Canterbury having played more for them than us...although thye'd probably just loan him out to Ta$man

    Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?

    http://www.taniwha.co.nz/About-Us/Honours-Board

    *Honors board says Berryman played 107 times for Northland, but I found an article after he died stating 75...

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    @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    I'd like Berryman in there too, but he'd have to go to push out Johnny Smith (and Goodhue to 12) or go to 15, so not sure he can start 😯

    Berryman on the wing, Ranger to 12 and Goodhue stays at 13?


    @taniwharugby said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    Who would be Captain? Glenn Taylor? Whitcombe?

    I'd go for Taylor. He was massive in leading that late 90's side

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    #39

    @Duluth yeah just a few to finalise.

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    #40

    If you're going back, wouldn't which ever Going played 10 be a contender against Holwell?

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    @Nepia said in Ultimate NPC: - Northland:

    If you're going back, wouldn't which ever Going played 10 be a contender against Holwell?

    Brian.

    (Ken was the fullback.)

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  • sharkS Offline
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    #42

    Didn't Glenn Taylor playa bit of 6? So he'd be there and Maxwell at lock?

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    replied to shark on last edited by taniwharugby
    #43

    @shark he did, but Jones and Maxwell locking...not alot of power there.

    So scrums I'd have Taylor locking, elsewhere he could run 6.

    We'd have a good lineout I reckon, Maxwell, Jones, Taylor & Gus as targets

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    You have to have Eddie Dunn ahead of David Holwell. Hands down no argument.

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