'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Rapido You can understand the predicament RA finds themselves in; they need a product to sell. And a 10 week round robin isn't exactly inspiring.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido You can understand the predicament RA finds themselves in; they need a product to sell. And a 10 week round robin isn't exactly inspiring.
Same applies to NZ.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido You can understand the predicament RA finds themselves in; they need a product to sell. And a 10 week round robin isn't exactly inspiring.
Not sure I'm following. I am in no way suggesting either nation continue with a 5 team competition.
Free from competition with 5 NZ franchises. ARU can weaken (broaden) their 5 teams into whatever format fits their needs. 8, 10, 6 ... whatever. They can do whatever they want with Giteau rule, loosen it, tighten it etc. To work out a sustainable domestic comp plus strong Wallabies balance.
If they find their top 2 teams are poor when it comes to 'Super 8' as tweeted above. At least its only a month or so. Not an entire regular season ruined.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido You can understand the predicament RA finds themselves in; they need a product to sell. And a 10 week round robin isn't exactly inspiring.
Same applies to NZ.
true, you do wonder how these two organisations can come to such different opinions on what will work
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@Rapido I'm just pointing out they're hamstrung. I'm willing to beat that the addition of more teams and more fixtures isn't worth it despite the headline figure. That is to say if three teams and seven fixtures is worth $Y then I doubt four teams and 13 fixtures would be worth 1.9 x $Y
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@nzzp said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido I'm wincing. Why so much lower than NZ? Does sanzaar negotiate independently now?
Yes, I think this was first time all were able to negotiate separately.
Previously. NPC and Currie Cup were removed from joint post, and then June tests were removed.
Plus first time Sky NZ had competition.
Plus implosion in ARU, and whatever Fox had to do with that.
Edit. Plus previous rights had uk rights battle between BT Sports and BskyB. Which would have been shared equally.
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@akan004 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Is this where we start melting down as fans saying how dare the Aussie propose something where we’re only allowed 2 teams and then say we’re going to create our own league with teams from Hong Kong, Burma, and the Naki funded by that Russian oil billionaire?
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Aussie can barely field 3 competitive teams, let alone 5
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@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Maybe to help bolster the standard we could introduce a rule that All Blacks can be selected from this comp. That way players could be based in NZ, Australia or eventually Japan.
Would be a way to develop youth players for NZ and plug the depth gap in Aussie. Also a way for players to make money in Japan and not be lost of the All Blacks.
Would have to stop poaching of young talent, but might be a solution?
Tear it apart below
@Kirwan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Maybe to help bolster the standard we could introduce a rule that All Blacks can be selected from this comp. That way players could be based in NZ, Australia or eventually Japan.
Would be a way to develop youth players for NZ and plug the depth gap in Aussie. Also a way for players to make money in Japan and not be lost of the All Blacks.
Would have to stop poaching of young talent, but might be a solution?
Tear it apart below
You're over-stating our depth, which is fucking appalling compared to a few years ago. The only scenario in which I would tolerate Kiwis playing for Australian sides is if they're able to throw the cash at them that NZR aren't and we're able to select them for the All Blacks.
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Good post. After reading 2 days of this thread I was going to make the same point. NZR already have a 5-yr deal with their broadcast partner while RA doesn't have a deal post-Super AU. From RA's perspective more teams (hopefully) equals more money but it won't be as simple as that. The leverage will be with the broadcaster, and I assume Foxtel is still the only option.
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Expanding on Australia's idea of a southern hemisphere champion of champions competition here are some ideas.
- Countries/regions put forward one or two teams
- Two Tiers
- Intermingle with regular season comp rather than at end
- Qualify by position in previous year
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If NZ go without OZ we need more teams. A stronger NPC based competition is never going to happen so:
- Split Blues in Half - North Auckland team and a Auckland City team
- The proposed Pacific themed team based in Manukau, Mt Smart, or Pukekohe
- Chiefs
- Tauranga based team, maybe the China Lions team is expanded
- A Lower North Island Team, pretty much Central Vikings with Taranaki too
- Hurricanes
- Highlanders
- Crusaders
- Possibly a Ta$man based team too.
We need to expand the NZ comp slightly to make it less intense and an opportunity for more kiwi players
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@mikedogz said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
If NZ go without OZ we need more teams. A stronger NPC based competition is never going to happen so:
- Split Blues in Half - North Auckland team and a Auckland City team
- The proposed Pacific themed team based in Manukau, Mt Smart, or Pukekohe
- Chiefs
- Tauranga based team, maybe the China Lions team is expanded
- A Lower North Island Team, pretty much Central Vikings with Taranaki too
- Hurricanes
- Highlanders
- Crusaders
- Possibly a Ta$man based team too.
We need to expand the NZ comp slightly to make it less intense and an opportunity for more kiwi players
Chiefs=Waikato and canes=Wellington?
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@canefan said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Aussie can barely field 3 competitive teams, let alone 5
It's a bit presumptuous to go to a broadcaster saying you've got a competition without asking the participants...
