NZ v Australia Test #2

MN5

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Mostly it has been sessions where the BC bowlers just couldn't get a wicket that hurt. You let two blokes bat for a solid couple of hours, they're going to get the momentum.
 
 
 
If you'd been through some of the shit Border went through, you'd probably feel the same way. Its the national fucking game and to feel like some weren't pulling their weight during his era, particularly early on as captain after just watching Hughes bawl his way out of the team.
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Yeah Oz had some ordinary players in the 80s, hard to see Hadlee taking 9-52 against the team of the 2000's, only 8-55 at best......

NTA

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Great advertisement for getting rid of the toss in test cricket. 
Home team briefs the groundsman on what pitch to prepare, away team choses to bat or bowl.
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Jeez I don't know many groundsmen who would like that :)

Hooroo

While the defeat is inevatible, there has been two massive positives.
 
Wagner kind of solidifies his position in the team
 
Anderson's two innings. Must take great character to play like two completely different batsmen within the same match. Completely stoked for him.
 
I can accept that Australia are a better test team than us. We showed fight though and I am still pleased as punch for our cricketing future

tubbyj

Yeah in away this series will be good for us if we learn our lessons from it. Williamson as the new captain has to reign in some of the bust or broke tendencies while keeping some of the innovation and team dynamic of Brendon McCullums reign. NZ cricket would do well to get Stephen Fleming involved in some kind of mentoring role for him.
 
We have learned that Wagner should be the one of the first names written down on the team sheet.
 
We learned how important Williamson and Taylor are to us as a batting partnership instead of this he's better than him kind of stuff that have dominated discussions of the 2.
 
We learned Latham and Anderson are capable of development in test cricket and deserve places moving forward. Martin Guptill maybe not so much
 
We learned we need a spinner and should only play two of Boult Henry and Southee.
 
We learned Boult and Southee shouldn't be sacred cow selections either Henry is putting real pressure on Southee and they should get Wheeler involved to up the pressure on Boult.
 
We learned Mascheranas is really as poor as we all thought and thank god he is moving on.
 
We also learned Australia is a better team than us but we are not as far behind that victory in the next series against them is beyond us.

MN5

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While the defeat is inevatible, there has been two massive positives.
 
Wagner kind of solidifies his position in the team
 
Anderson's two innings. Must take great character to play like two completely different batsmen within the same match. Completely stoked for him.
 
I can accept that Australia are a better test team than us. We showed fight though and I am still pleased as punch for our cricketing future
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I don't disagree with any of the above but the toothlessness of our bowling attack concerns me as well as the brittleness of the top order. I don't see too many guys ready to step up to take McCullums place in terms of their ability to smash quick, large scores if Kane has the inevitable failure that he will from time to time.
 
As a team do we live within our means each summer ie soundly beat Sri Lanka, Windies, Pakistan and Bangladesh on a rotational basis and get a home series against the big boys every few years ? perhaps that's our lot in the world of international cricket.

tubbyj

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I don't disagree with any of the above but the toothlessness of our bowling attack concerns me as well as the brittleness of the top order. I don't see too many guys ready to step up to take McCullums place in terms of their ability to smash quick, large scores if Kane has the inevitable failure that he will from time to time.
 
As a team do we live within our means each summer ie soundly beat Sri Lanka, Windies, Pakistan and Bangladesh on a rotational basis and get a home series against the big boys every few years ? perhaps that's our lot in the world of international cricket.
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Colin Munro seems a possible replacement for McCullum with the added advantage he can bowl

MN5

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Colin Munro seems a possible replacement for McCullum with the added advantage he can bowl
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Naaaa still unproven, can someone see what Jesse is up to ?

tubbyj

getting drunk I imagine
 
How do you become proven if you never get a chance

Mokey

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Yeah in away this series will be good for us if we learn our lessons from it. Williamson as the new captain has to reign in some of the bust or broke tendencies while keeping some of the innovation and team dynamic of Brendon McCullums reign. NZ cricket would do well to get Stephen Fleming involved in some kind of mentoring role for him.
 
We have learned that Wagner should be the one of the first names written down on the team sheet.
 
We learned how important Williamson and Taylor are to us as a batting partnership instead of this he's better than him kind of stuff that have dominated discussions of the 2.
 
We learned Latham and Anderson are capable of development in test cricket and deserve places moving forward. Martin Guptill maybe not so much
 
We learned we need a spinner and should only play two of Boult Henry and Southee.
 
We learned Boult and Southee shouldn't be sacred cow selections either Henry is putting real pressure on Southee and they should get Wheeler involved to up the pressure on Boult.
 
We learned Mascheranas is really as poor as we all thought and thank god he is moving on.
 
We also learned Australia is a better team than us but we are not as far behind that victory in the next series against them is beyond us.
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Martin Guptill shouldn't be in the test team. And yup, it is a real shame that we don't have (at this point) a world class spinning option. Craig and Sodhi both have their moments, but we need far better consistency than that, and on a variety of tracks. I feel dirty saying this, but Lyon showed us up big time and he's nowhere near a Warne or Murali or Vettori.
 
Boult has been below par since his injury break, seems to have lost a yard of pace, and that swing. Take those two things away, and suddenly he's a tidy medium pacer getting tonked by really good batsmen. Southee is bloody annoying, he'll bowl an absolute ripper, then a bunch of shit, letting the batsmen rotate strike or get a boundary, so pressure never stays on. And he should always bat 11, then if he does his six and out, who cares.
 
Dmitri is no loss, oh boy do I hope for better things. After the Porsches Donald and Bond, getting a Nissan Sunny was not cool.

MN5

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getting drunk I imagine
 
How do you become proven if you never get a chance
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It was said tongue in cheek.....or was it ? BMac leaves a gap as big as the fucken gobi desert with his departure.

darreninusa

I'd like to see both Milne and Satner given a chance at some stage, and I'd slot in Munro for BMac in all forms.

booboo

Three things.

Yay we got a wicket
Is Guppy an option at 5 in trsts?
Agree with Mokey that Southee should bat 11. If picked

MN5

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Yeah in away this series will be good for us if we learn our lessons from it. Williamson as the new captain has to reign in some of the bust or broke tendencies while keeping some of the innovation and team dynamic of Brendon McCullums reign. NZ cricket would do well to get Stephen Fleming involved in some kind of mentoring role for him.
 
We have learned that Wagner should be the one of the first names written down on the team sheet.
 
We learned how important Williamson and Taylor are to us as a batting partnership instead of this he's better than him kind of stuff that have dominated discussions of the 2.
 
We learned Latham and Anderson are capable of development in test cricket and deserve places moving forward. Martin Guptill maybe not so much
 
We learned we need a spinner and should only play two of Boult Henry and Southee.
 
We learned Boult and Southee shouldn't be sacred cow selections either Henry is putting real pressure on Southee and they should get Wheeler involved to up the pressure on Boult.
 
We learned Mascheranas is really as poor as we all thought and thank god he is moving on.
 
We also learned Australia is a better team than us but we are not as far behind that victory in the next series against them is beyond us.
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Not having a go at him but is Wagners six for at home in a losing effort better than Bracewells five for away in a winning effort ?
 
Great effort but one swallow doesn't make a summer.

No Quarter

I've advocated for Guppy to move to 5 once Baz retires and play his aggresive natural hame against an older ball. It was pointed out to me he would struggle against spin, but there aren't many world class spinners going around at the moment and it's not like he would just face 100% spin bowling.

booboo

Heard on commentary Waggy had 16 wickets at 22. 
Boulty was averaging 43.

NTA

Wagner has shown the value of knuckling down and being able to bowl to a plan. The others, not so much.
 
We took in the underdone Jackson Bird and the back-from-injury Pattinson and both delivered, when Hazlewood was having trouble finding the same performance he had in the First Test. Neither of your established opening bowlers really stamped their authority on things, even throwing away talk of statistics.
 
Throw in Lyon to pin down an end and you're doing alright from an Australian point of view.
 
 
And check this out:
 
Southee to Smith, FOUR, that's rubbish against Smith. Short and wide, Smith shuffles across, and cuts this past point for four. Is he trying to get us close enough at lunch to be asking for that extra half hour?

TeWaio

Stuart Broad got 8 of these fluffybunnies out in about 20 mins. I used to think Southee and Boult were comparable to him. Hmmm

NTA

This is a bloody farce - 17 runs to go and they're coming in for lunch?

MN5

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This is a bloody farce - 17 runs to go and they're coming in for lunch? 
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You're gonna win. Stop fucken whining. Smithy's probably starving.....

mariner4life

he needs his cheerios and juice box

The Silver Fern

NZ v Australia Test #2