'Super Rugby' 2021
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@barbarian said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean and that why i said 'pipe dream'.
The same pipe dream that had Argentina play SR...
The obvious difference being Argentina didn't have a thriving club competition awash with cash.
Argentina is unique amongst Tier 1 nation, in that its best Club competitions are Amateur. Biggest one being URBA based in Buenos Aires
Moreover the UAR has encouraged its played to head overseas
Likes of Kremer, Petti, Orlando etc have already left Jaguares
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@pukunui said in ['Super Rugby' 2021]*
That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
Seen alot of chat about a PI team but don't get the appeal or sense
Better to have a 10 team TT comp Each team has Fijian, Tongan & Samoan player in matchday 23
30 players getting high level footy off the bat
Have World Rugby chip with paying the salaryJaps involvement also seems another dead on arrival proposition Top League will not let idea succeed just like Sunwolves Multinational companies pay big $$$ for their players
Jaguares showed Japs how to do things....
I want Japan & Fiji in expanded Rugby Championships
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@ravens88 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@pukunui said in ['Super Rugby' 2021]*
That’s actually a really good idea. The Japanese national team would actually be a quality addition to the competition.
This PI team that is getting floated is either going to draw all it’s players from existing Super rugby teams, which is stupid, or it will be severely under strength but filled with PI local talent with the odd NH returnee. No way the guys on big bucks up North will come back in significant numbers for the chance to play for much less $$.
Seen alot of chat about a PI team but don't get the appeal or sense
Better to have a 10 team TT comp Each team has Fijian, Tongan & Samoan player in matchday 23. 30 players getting high level footy off the bat
Have World Rugby chip with paying the salary
Japs involvement also seems another dead on arrival proposition Top League will not let idea succeed just like Sunwolves Multinational companies pay big $$$ for their players
Jaguares showed Japs how to do things....
I want Japan & Fiji in expanded Rugby Championships
That'll do a lot for developing the midfield backs, wingers, m and loose forwards for the island teams. They really need more talent there.
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@ravens88 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I don't get your point...
@gt12 is saying that if you do that, you get people playing to their strengths, and not fixing their weaknesses. There are advantages, but it isn't an easy path to success.
One of the things a PI team (or the other option ) solves is the problem with administration in the islands. Generalism, but they seem to suffer from patronage and poor choices around funds (that's as delicate as I can be), where an NZ based team should be focussed on rugby and coaching.
Edit: for clarity, lots of great outside backs, some midfield backs, few to no locks and props
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
You're using the term "finals" pretty loosely though. No different to top 8 in NRL. Shit, the top 16 make the NBA play-offs!
And yes, I understand the difference in team numbers.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
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@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
I'd care by not bothering to watch and engage during the regular season.
Which is exactly what happened during SR. Terrible regular season attendances.
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@Rapido really? Getting a bye in round 1 by finishing 1st or 2nd isn't worth striving for? Finishing 3rd to play 6th rather than 4th to play 5th isn't worth it? Finishing 6th rather than 8th and getting a crack at a playoff challenge is of no interest?
It's pretty common for 50% of the teams to make the play-offs in some way across many leagues.
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@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido really? Getting a bye in round 1 by finishing 1st or 2nd isn't worth striving for? Finishing 3rd to play 6th rather than 4th to play 5th isn't worth it? Finishing 6th rather than 8th and getting a crack at a playoff challenge is of no interest?
It's pretty common for 50% of the teams to make the play-offs in some way across many leagues.
Maybe, I'm probably not best to ask on this.
I usually don't start following a SR season until May these days. But, I like cricket.
Plus I'm a curmudgeon easily dis-engaged by now by 20 odd years of decisions that make me like the game less and less. Jersey designs can tip my decision on whether to subscribe to sky for chrisakes. And DJs keep me to 1 or 2 live attendances per year max.
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@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido really? Getting a bye in round 1 by finishing 1st or 2nd isn't worth striving for? Finishing 3rd to play 6th rather than 4th to play 5th isn't worth it? Finishing 6th rather than 8th and getting a crack at a playoff challenge is of no interest?
It's pretty common for 50% of the teams to make the play-offs in some way across many leagues.
Maybe, I'm probably not best to ask on this.
I usually don't start following a SR season until May these days. But, I like cricket.
Plus I'm a curmudgeon easily dis-engaged by now by 20 odd years of decisions that make me like the game less and less.
Yeah, me either to be honest. I haven't been engaged in SR for a long time now, I find the longer I'm out of NZ the more I care about the AB's and the less I care about the Canes!
I actually really couldn't care less about the format of SR, regular season or play-offs. I think last night I was just making the point that it wouldn't offend me if 2 of 6 spots were reserved for each conference, provided they got no home field advantage.
But I may have been drinking again...
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i dont like the idea of bye before finals, lets build some hype! keep things rolling
I can really only relate to the highlander finals run in 2015, the team were battle hardened and the supporters were really hyped up, made it exciting
10 team comp should only have 4 finalists
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@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
It's not quite the same, and I did think about why the NBA is different. It's because star teams, those with realistic chances of winning the title, believe that they can beat any team over 7 games without home court advantage, and are willing to relinquish that advantage to keep their stars healthy.
Would having 6 spots available mean the Blues rest BB for 25% of the season and accept finishing 3rd rather than 2nd? With only 1 game per week, I don't think so. I can't see the product being diluted at all
Anyway, I don't really care too much as I said above, I'm just not offended by the idea.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
i kind of agree with this but conversely, speaking from experience, once your have lost a few games and the season is gone...people also loose interest
thats why i think football has it right with promotion/relegation...give you something to play for without watering down the finals
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
i kind of agree with this but conversely, speaking from experience, once your have lost a few games and the season is gone...people also loose interest
thats why i think football has it right with promotion/relegation...give you something to play for without watering down the finals
hey, let's have everyone play finals! that way, everyone is engaged for as long as possible!
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I don't think the extended playoffs worked that well.
I remember when the Blues last made the playoffs (I can't believe I remember that far back!) it was a 6 team playoff format in 2011 so Blues played a home playoff v Tahs first round and attracted bugger all fans to the game. The real finals began the next weekend (semi finals).
Similarly I can remember the Crusaders and Brumbies struggling to attract crowds to home quarterfinals in recent years.
with just 10 teams you just need semi finals.
One of the big issues with recent finals/semi finals has been the travel - teams travelling to/from RSA/Argie one weekend to the next.
Without the travel issues I don't there is a need for byes in the playoffs.
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@mariner4life i was agreeing with you point about not having everyone playing finals, i said just before a ten team comp should only have 4 finalists
i was just adding the promotion/relegation is a good way to keep people engaged in the rest of the comp
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life i was agreeing with you point about not having everyone playing finals, i said just before a ten team comp should only have 4 finalists
i was just adding the promotion/relegation is a good way to keep people engaged in the rest of the comp
which can't work in the proposed format
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@mariner4life i know, was just another thought from other comps
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