'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Number-10 said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
You would have to say no - that is over 300 players.
When expansion of Super Rugby was proposed In 2009/10 to start in 2011, both Taranaki and Hawke's Bay made moves to form a sixth Super Rugby squad and NZR said no, they couldn't afford it.
A sixth team in a 2011 SR competition may have not been affordable - travel to SA, OZ and all those expenses that add up - but in a beefed up domestic based comp I think it’s possible.
But then again what that looks like and what it means for NPC are the big unknowns.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
Bye bye Northland Southland Hawkes Bay and Ta$man
Northland, Southland, Ta$man and Harbour
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@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Duluth said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
8 SR teams?
They might as well go to 10 NPC teams and have a single competition. Everyone plays everyone home and away
4 teams to drop to heartland or merge with a larger team
Bye bye Northland Southland Hawkes Bay and Ta$man
Northland, Southland, Ta$man and Harbour
Actually no wait. Northland, Southland, Harbour and Counties
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Honestly, if there is any serious chat about a domestic 'Super Rugby' comp, just rebrand the NPC and play it home and away with byes and a six team finals series over 31 weeks from late Feb to October. If there's international play during the season this just provides the opportunity for teams wearing Cambridge blue and maroon and gold to win a couple games.
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I'll add to this that I haven't given any thought to funding. But these teams all expect to play around half that season anyway, and the SR franchise monies from NZ Rugby should also be distributed among the 14 sides. On top of that they'd need to also put some dosh into marketing to pimp it up a bit and maybe differentiate it from a traditional NPC further by way of branding, hype, uniform adjustments etc. I think having each team's full complement of All Blacks available for most if not all of the comp would be a big leg up on a current NPC anyway, plus any additional overseas based players who might be available.
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Southern hemisphere rugby could be set for a major shakeup , with doubts emerging over the ongoing existence of SANZAAR. Sources tell Newshub that the governing body could disband altogether to leave international unions to go it alone, in one of a handful of key recommendations to come from the 'Aratipu' report commissioned by New Zealand Rugby in April. Newshub can reveal that SANZAAR's days of running the competition appear to be over from next year. As it stands, Super Rugby involves teams from New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and Argentina. The draft 'Aratipu' review recommends major changes from 2021 - namely a trans- Ta$man competition with the addition of a team from the Pacific. Without teams from South Africa and Argentina, SANZAAR's governance of the competition would inevitably cease. The proposed changes to the competition have been welcomed by those involved. "As long as it keeps the qualities that are making this competition really successful," says Blues coach Leon MacDonald. "Strong teams right across the board, strong games... there's a little bit of a recipe here that as long as they don't deviate too far away from would be well received." It's understood that is what's seen as the missing piece to the Super Rugby puzzle and was identified by review chair Don Mackinnon from the outset. "Do we look at a Heineken cup type playoff model in the short to medium term whereby we're looking at the best of the best playing," Mackinnon queried at the announcement of the review in April. Crusaders coach Scott Robertson has also expressed his desire for there to be something more for the Super Rugby winners. "I love the idea of how we can connect up if we have a competition down here and then we can link to the north, that would make it pretty special," Robertson suggested in May. SANZAAR's sole purpose moving forward would be to oversee the Rugby Championship. But Tuesday's developments suggest that after quarter of a century, southern hemisphere rugby's united front could soon be over. -
How would a sixth NZ Super Rugby team look? It'd be based in North Harbour and Northland, and the Blues would be based on Auckland and Counties Manukau. If the region got its NPC players, and a few players from each squad (esp. those with a connection to the region), it might look like this:
- Karl Tu'inukuafe
- James Parsons sharing starting duty with Ricky Riccitelli
- Sione Mafileo
- Josh Goodhue
- Gerard Cowley-Tuioti
- Tom Robinson
- Dillon Hunt
- Teariki Ben-Nicholas/Sione Havili
- Bryn Hall
- Josh Ioane
- Braydon Ennor
- Michael Little
- Jack Goodhue
- Mark Talea
- Shaun Stevenson
- Luteru Tolai
- Reuben O'Neill
- Siate Tokolahi
- Jacob Pierce
- Ethan Roots
- Sam Nock
- Bryn Gatland
- Matt Duffie
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could they ground share with the Blues? wold make for some big grudge matches
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@pukunui said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
We don’t have the depth to dilute the current 5 teams and maintain the high performance he talks about in that article. Introducing more teams will be a disaster. Poorer quality in the name of expansion does not make for a more entertaining product. We saw that with the endless expansion of super rugby.
If the saffa’s are gone and a NZ only comp is not an option then an ANZ comp with the quality of teams kept as high as possible is the only option.
Super 8 - 5 Kiwi and 3 Aussie teams. It is the only way to proceed with a trans- Ta$man competition IMHO.
At the same time, the structures under the Aussie fully pro teams need to change in order to provide more players an opportunity to make a living out of rugby.
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Putting a PI based team in Auckland is a stupid idea. Racially based selection? Exclusion from NZR contracting and New Zealand representation?
Why would NZ do that?
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@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Super 8 - 5 Kiwi and 3 Aussie teams. It is the only way to proceed with a trans- Ta$man competition IMHO.
Good idea - dump the Brumbies.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Super 8 - 5 Kiwi and 3 Aussie teams. It is the only way to proceed with a trans- Ta$man competition IMHO.
Good idea - dump the Brumbies.
After spending a weekend there in the freezing cold, it is no shock that nobody turns up to Bruce Mausoleum for rugby at night.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Super 8 - 5 Kiwi and 3 Aussie teams. It is the only way to proceed with a trans- Ta$man competition IMHO.
Good idea - dump the Brumbies.
can we dumb a team that has won the comp previously? wold feel werid, Canberra doesn't have a AFL team so feels a better location to try and re grow rugby than melbourne
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@NTA said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Super 8 - 5 Kiwi and 3 Aussie teams. It is the only way to proceed with a trans- Ta$man competition IMHO.
Good idea - dump the Brumbies.
can we dumb a team that has won the comp previously? wold feel werid, Canberra doesn't have a AFL team so feels a better location to try and re grow rugby than melbourne
I couldn't care if they were as successful as the Crusaders. It's their public servant supporters I want to see punished. They irritate the piss out of me.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Putting a PI based team in Auckland is a stupid idea. Racially based selection? Exclusion from NZR contracting and New Zealand representation?
Why would NZ do that?
There has been plenty of talk about having a PI-based team in any future SR competition but that has many more hurdles to overcome like logistics and finances. This proposed team would solve those problems, with little or no cost to NZR, like the Force in Aust at present. There would be enough Fijian, Samoan and Tongan talent around, and they would add some variety to the competition. I would assume that this team wouldn't be under NZR control so those players wouldn't be eligible for the ABs. From the articles they would be targeting PI players currently in Europe and Japan as well as domestic PI players (the islands, NZ, Aust).
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@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I would assume that this team wouldn't be under NZR control so those players wouldn't be eligible for the ABs
Inoke Afeaki was interviewed about this on the Breakdown. He wanted it to be under NZR control
The reasons for this was the expertise that NZR has of running successful teams. Also, the corruption in problems that the PI unions have had since going pro.
He also said he wanted it to be based in Fiji. I think all the chat about it being in Auckland is just to make the articles more clickable in NZ
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@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
Putting a PI based team in Auckland is a stupid idea. Racially based selection? Exclusion from NZR contracting and New Zealand representation?
Why would NZ do that?
There has been plenty of talk about having a PI-based team in any future SR competition but that has many more hurdles to overcome like logistics and finances. This proposed team would solve those problems, with little or no cost to NZR, like the Force in Aust at present. There would be enough Fijian, Samoan and Tongan talent around, and they would add some variety to the competition. I would assume that this team wouldn't be under NZR control so those players wouldn't be eligible for the ABs. From the articles they would be targeting PI players currently in Europe and Japan as well as domestic PI players (the islands, NZ, Aust).
That would just be the worst possible case. So any governance issues, players opting to represent NZ, malfeasance etc. would have NZR lambasted by all and sundry for no benefit.
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